New Wessler piece

[lefty]

Yep, your right friend Best **** post in this thread Glad to hear from you, been awhile

they let me out from time to time....I've read a little here just haven't taken the time to post much...now when the season starts it may be different.....

[dogsrus]

I agree with this. I, too, stopped receiving the PJ Star a while ago. Basically, I did not think it provided enough information for the cost.



How or why is it ridiculous? It was an interview with the A.D. Why is that bad?



That is an opinion, not fact.




All of these PJStar articles are less than a month old.

Coverage of the new TV team: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x85...-games-on-WTVP

Coverage of the WTVP TV deal: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x15...ecast-BU-games

Coverage of the new radio team: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x10...dio-broadcasts

Braves boot camp: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x14...to-new-regimen

Update on recruit: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x19...-at-everything

Update on schedule: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x99...e-at-new-arena

To be fair..........

I checked over on the BU website as well. They had the same articles about the schedule and TV/Radio changes. They had one additional article on the Hoopla event.

I did not find any "new" articles on new players or coaches on the BU site either.

So are you saying that BUBraves.com is against the Braves too?

Stop making sense with all these facts and rational thinking/logic......

[BradleyJD]

Stop making sense with all these facts and rational thinking/logic......

My most sincere apologies, sir.

[Dallas Brave]

I don't know how or why this led to such animosity and discussion. The article simply brought up a topic on many people's mind. It addressed it with the man who actually can answer it. Nothing wrong with that.

If you ignore KW??™s writing approach which uses:

faulty distribution, invalid sampling, Reduction Ad Absudum, distraction, non sequitur, appeal to casuistry, formal fallacy, circular reasoning, speculations, equivocation, false dilemma, false continuity, inadequate definition, invalid authority, false humility, appeal to prejudice, faulty assumptions, appeal to ignorance, argument by mere analogy, special pleading, appeal to selfishness, and Ad Hominem Attacks

then I suppose one might find his writing OK.

Of course, many posters, including myself from time-to-time , use the same techniques in our postings. But, I believe most of the posters are not professional writers bound by honor to uphold the Journalist??™s Creed.

[dogsrus]

Where did he say real fans?

He said the average fan probably likes to be updated on Bradley and the athletic programs.

WOW...you made quite a jump there.

Thanks JD...you are correct. I am coming purely from a numbers standpoint. I don't get into labeling fans true or haterzzzz...I leave that for the insecure folks that for some psychological reason need to make them feel better about who they are....

The VAST majority of BU fans don't post on here and have never even heard of Bradleyfans.....these articles are written for them and most that I know appreciate anything in these "down times" just like JL indicated.

[MacabreMob]

Show me where I used the term "real fans" .....

Oh, I know DRU you never used the term "real fans". Maybe you didn't see my response in Post #155. You see - it just kinda made sense that the minority here can't be "real fans" when you suggest the average fan on the street is in the majority... well, then they must be the "real fans". Therefore, I must be one of the outcasts and not a "real fan"... and I was trying to be funny about it. Did you see my laughing smiley's? So all in fun DRU... all in fun. Laugh it off buddy. Don't let it bother ya... don't take it to the next tee man.

[Buesch N Chips]

You'll never convince a Christian that God doesn't exist, and you'll never convince an atheist that He does. They either need to stop discussing religion, or stay away from each other.

[BradleyJD]

If you ignore KW??™s writing approach which uses:

faulty distribution, invalid sampling, Reduction Ad Absudum, distraction, non sequitur, appeal to casuistry, formal fallacy, circular reasoning, speculations, equivocation, false dilemma, false continuity, inadequate definition, invalid authority, false humility, appeal to prejudice, faulty assumptions, appeal to ignorance, argument by mere analogy, special pleading, appeal to selfishness, and Ad Hominem Attacks

then I suppose one might find his writing OK.

Of course, many posters, including myself from time-to-time , use the same techniques in our postings. But, I believe most of the posters are not professional writers bound by honor to uphold the Journalist??™s Creed.

Yeah, okay. Did you mean reductio ad absurdum?

I do not believe the new A.D. would be party to that at all. I applaud the A.D. for answering the question and KW for printing it in the paper.

[Da Coach]

I agree with this. I, too, stopped receiving the PJ Star a while ago. Basically, I did not think it provided enough information for the cost.



How or why is it ridiculous? It was an interview with the A.D. Why is that bad?



That is an opinion, not fact.




All of these PJStar articles are less than a month old.

Coverage of the new TV team: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x85...-games-on-WTVP

Coverage of the WTVP TV deal: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x15...ecast-BU-games

Coverage of the new radio team: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x10...dio-broadcasts

Braves boot camp: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x14...to-new-regimen

Update on recruit: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x19...-at-everything

Update on schedule: http://www.bradleyhoops.com/news/x99...e-at-new-arena

To be fair..........

I checked over on the BU website as well. They had the same articles about the schedule and TV/Radio changes. They had one additional article on the Hoopla event.

I did not find any "new" articles on new players or coaches on the BU site either.

So are you saying that BUBraves.com is against the Braves too?

I am happy that some people think the PJ Star coverage is fair and adequate. IMO it is not.

Not one of those articles you quoted is anything more than a regurgitation of a press release by Bradley, or news that was already out on message boards. Do you think a simple re-wording of a BU press release constitutes good reporting?
And the Bradley site has a lot of new information about the players. Just check the roster page, the individual bios, and the huge new prospectus posted by Bobby Parker.

http://www.bradleybraves.com//pdf8/716310.pdf?SPSID=25964&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400

The PJ Star has not had any article that gives fans a single bit of new information about this year's team, or about new players, or about players like DD, who have recovered from injury.
Most BU fans I know, if they don't read this site, do not even know who the players on this year's team are. I guess we'll have to wait until "Media Day" before any new info makes it into the local media. But every other MVC team has alreasdy had far more informative reporting done by their media than Bradley has. That fact has been documented many times here. The PJS can do whatever it wants, but I know there are people who have dropped their subscriptions simply because there is never anything reported that they don't already know about Bradley.

[Dallas Brave]

Yeah, okay. Did you mean reductio ad absurdum?

I do not believe the new A.D. would be party to that at all. I applaud the A.D. for answering the question and KW for printing it in the paper.

Yes I did. Good catch. My fingers couldn't keep up. Also, in my haste I accidently omitted sophistry. Please add that to the list of KW's techniques.

[BradleyJD]

I am happy that some people think the PJ Star coverage is fair and adequate. IMO it is not.

Fair enough. As I stated, I no longer receive that paper either.

Most BU fans I know, if they don't read this site, do not even know who the players on this year's team are.

How much of a "fan" are you if you don't know the players who are on Bradley's team? We didn't have that much turnover, did we?

Couldn't they just go to the BUBraves page? Didn't you say it was packed with info on the new players??

[BU RICK]

I am still waiting for the first article that actually reports something new about the team, the newcomers, the returning players, or the new coaches. There is a lot new there that fans would like to know more about, but I guess we have to get a few more "coach on the hot seat" type articles before we actually ever see any real reporting.

This is exactly how I feel.

I live in DuPage County and years ago went to the large local library, they carried lots of newspapers, to see if they carried the PJS, unfortunately they did not. Really enjoyed reading the PJS when I was at Bradley, the Joe Allen years, lots of good articles and pictures.

So when I got my computer, I found the PJS site and went to it religiously every morning prior to the season and during the season to get my information on the team. The Chicago Tribune just has 1 or 2 inch blurbs with a short line type box score, if that depending on the time the game was played and their deadline. So I was very, very happy with the PJS.

Then I found out that there were fan sites for schools. And I found BradleyFans.com. So I rarely go to the PJS site anymore, I just wait for a link to be posted here. I always liked the PJS but now get more information here.

What I'm unhappy about is what I quoted above. There is now just a lack of information about how the players and new coaches are progressing coming out of the PJS. Is there a 'gag order' for the players and coaches not to talk to the press? There has just been little new news this season and there is a team full of players to interview about their expectations. Go Braves

[dogsrus]

If someone doesn't even subscribe to the PJStar...why would they even care whats written or NOT written?

[BradleyJD]

If someone doesn't even subscribe to the PJStar...why would they even care whats written or NOT written?

It's because it hinders BU recruiting, I think.

[theBUer]

I am happy that some people think the PJ Star coverage is fair and adequate. IMO it is not.

Not one of those articles you quoted is anything more than a regurgitation of a press release by Bradley, or news that was already out on message boards. Do you think a simple re-wording of a BU press release constitutes good reporting?
And the Bradley site has a lot of new information about the players. Just check the roster page, the individual bios, and the huge new prospectus posted by Bobby Parker.

http://www.bradleybraves.com//pdf8/716310.pdf?SPSID=25964&SPID=1498&DB_OEM_ID=3400

The PJ Star has not had any article that gives fans a single bit of new information about this year's team, or about new players, or about players like DD, who have recovered from injury.
Most BU fans I know, if they don't read this site, do not even know who the players on this year's team are. I guess we'll have to wait until "Media Day" before any new info makes it into the local media. But every other MVC team has alreasdy had far more informative reporting done by their media than Bradley has. That fact has been documented many times here. The PJS can do whatever it wants, but I know there are people who have dropped their subscriptions simply because there is never anything reported that they don't already know about Bradley.

It's a catch-22. If the PJ Star had articles in which it broke stories, but quoted anonymous sources, the reaction would be that the PJStar is turning into a "Page Six" printing gossip without naming sources.

On the other hand, there may not be a lot of value to the PJS if the paper merely prints stories that are based off Bradley press releases.

The article, although I did not think it was Pulitzer-worthy for commentary, succeeded in getting a reaction. It's Watercooler-talk,