Sam Maniscalco or Daniel Ruffin?

[shaunguth]

By a very narrow margin Ruffin but I guarantee you both could and would have been very successful at any level in the NCAA.

I agree completely with this statement.

[amckillip]

I am not trying to start an arguement here, but Ruffin was the starting point guard on a team that one 2 NCAA games, one NIT game and went to the finals of the CBI.

SM has been the starting point guard on a team that went to the finals of the CIT and one that won exactly nothing.

Ruffin wasnt exactly incapable of winning big games.

Ruffin didn't make a big shot in any of those games. Give Sam POB and 'Cellus? You don't think he'd do as well?? Come on.

[amckillip]

As one of the EM for SM guys from last year, it was because Sam was hurt. He looked pretty much awful until they figured out how to treat his ankle. He was excellent after that. I just want to clarify that I think that's why most people were wanting to make that change. I don't think anyone continued with that line once it was known that he'd been hurt and they fixed it because he went from pretty bad to very very good almost like it was a light switch.

Haha, pretty bad? SM's bad games were better than EM really ever had for BU. He averaged about 5 ppg in 28 mpg (didn't look it up, thats ballpark)...

I also think a key stat is that Ruffin's senior year, when he had the load, he averaged 4.0 turnovers a game, that's far too many for a PG. Not too mention ruffin 'greyshirted' a year which meant he was older (Ruffin was older to begin with as well), though, as much as I'd take SM over DRuff, Sam could have easily redshirted if he wanted to, so that doesn't have too much bearing on the discussion.

[AZ BU Fan]

SM or DR would sort of depend on who the other players on the hypothetical team would be. They are different types of players who bring different skills.

You could make a case for either player depending on who they would be playing with...

Since you can't coach quickness or speed, would have to be DR as the point guard of a new team: quickness, speed, ability to disrupt defensively, ability to penetrate offensively....

[houstontxbrave]

Ruffin didn't make a big shot in any of those games. Give Sam POB and 'Cellus? You don't think he'd do as well?? Come on.

Really? So Ruffin just tied his shoes and ran around? Him being sick v SIU in the MVC tourney made a huge difference in that Championship game.

But anyway, BU beat KU by 4 and Ruffin has 11 pts and 7 assists so he lead to atleast 25pts. The scoreboard difference was again 4 points.

We beat Pitt by 8 he had 4 pts and 4 assists and zero turnovers... so he lead to atleast 12 pts.

Just because you do not hit a game winning shot or whatever does not mean you do not make a direct difference in a game and specifically on the scoreboard. Especially if your contribution exceeds the difference on the scoreboard.

I have no idea what SM would have done with POB or Cellus, but the facts remain, Ruffin was the point guard on a team that won 2 NCAA games.

They both are very very good players and there isnt a huge difference between the two. But at the end of day Ruffins team won big and SM's are still a work in progress.

[lefty]

This is an intersting comparison....

Both are/were good for sure. With SM you knew pretty much what to expect. He doesn't seem to get out of control too much.
With DR you weren't totally sure each night out but he could also pull off the unbelievable plays from time to time.

I think I would go with DR. His pressure on D gives him the edge IMO.

[Braves4Life]

SM or DR would sort of depend on who the other players on the hypothetical team would be. They are different types of players who bring different skills.

You could make a case for either player depending on who they would be playing with...

Great point AZBU!! I was thinking the same thing. I can't vote on this because it would depend upon the team. Ruffin would do better with an athletic team like the Sweet 16 team, Sammy would be better on less athletic teams. I'd love to have both on my team to use at different times in the game and against different teams.

[bu fan 9]

I would take either one of them after watching EM for the last 2 years.

[Out of Balance]

Great point AZBU!! I was thinking the same thing. I can't vote on this because it would depend upon the team. Ruffin would do better with an athletic team like the Sweet 16 team, Sammy would be better on less athletic teams. I'd love to have both on my team to use at different times in the game and against different teams.

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[amckillip]

I have no idea what SM would have done with POB or Cellus, but the facts remain, Ruffin was the point guard on a team that won 2 NCAA games.

They both are very very good players and there isnt a huge difference between the two. But at the end of day Ruffins team won big and SM's are still a work in progress.

Using that logic Ruffin>JL, and JJ Tauai is better than Hersey and AP!!!!!

[BUfan14]

This is an interesting topic for sure. I don't think I'll vote, because I think both are good in different ways. Ruff was unbelievably quick and had big wins, but Sammy is just a great leader with tremendous toughness.

I would probably take Sammy if I had to vote because I like his unequalled leadership abilities and that he is a person you can trust to stay out of trouble off the court. But I'd take either any day!

[houstontxbrave]

Using that logic Ruffin>JL, and JJ Tauai is better than Hersey and AP!!!!!

I guess when you comparing apples to oranges. I am comparing Ruffin to Maniscalco. More of an apple to apple comparison which I think is what this topic was about.

[real fan]

I hate comparisons like this as they are both good players and completely different in how they run the point guard position, I would take both of them in a second and be very happy to have them as would a crap load of other schools.

[amckillip]

I guess when you comparing apples to oranges. I am comparing Ruffin to Maniscalco. More of an apple to apple comparison which I think is what this topic was about.

How is it apples to apples any more than my comparison? Same positions, very different teams.

[Bradleyguy10]

Comparing them both at their best...

As a point guard...Ruffin hands down

As someone to take the final shot for a win...Maniscalco hands down