Great Article on Coach Stowell's double firing from BU

[houstontxbrave]

I've been a "supporter" for years no matter who the coach was. I wasn't a great fan of JS as coach. I was happy when Dick V came on as coach and was disappointed when he was let go. I thought Albeck was a good choice, but changed my mind. I thought Jim Molinari did a good enough job but was very happy when Jim Les came back as coach. Guess what I'm saying is I'm a supporter of the program no matter who the coach is and I think most BU fans are. The real non-supporters are the ones who said they were going to give up their seats when Jim was hired.

Exactly. I do not really care who is, I care about the program. If the program is doing great then that coach is doing great, but from Stowell to Stan to JL, one thing for me has been consistant, I follow and cheer for BRADLEY BASKETBALL. The coach just like the names on the back of the jersey can and do change but the front stays the same.

[tornado]

..I follow and cheer for BRADLEY BASKETBALL. ..

that is the consistent I love to see.......nicely put htb

[squirrelgotdead]

No you can not....if you advocate a change...you are anti-JL...and if your doing it now your anti-bu..because your undermining the program as it heads into the season...doesn't have to be personal..

IMHO

Wow. Really? Being "OK" with change is "anti-JL"? That is patently absurd. I do agree with your point about talking about it now given the fact the season is about to start. OK to me also means they can be OK with staying the course. OK is also a fairly passive reaction. . .a far cry from anyone "advocating" anything.

However there is an enormous chasm with being indifferent and anti-something.

When Molinari was fired, there were many fans who were OK with change but also were OK if he was allowed to continue.

[TheAsianSensation]

[toddgak]

No you can not....if you advocate a change...you are anti-JL...and if your doing it now your anti-bu..because your undermining the program as it heads into the season...doesn't have to be personal..

IMHO

If you advocate a change in leadership in the Presidency of the United States are you "anti-America"? That's nonsense.

No 2ay does one persons beliefs/thoughts "undermine" the program. That's ridiculous.

Couldn't it be spun the other way. Can't someone be SO PRO-BU that they want to win so badly and see BU succeed that they feel a change is the only way to get that done?

Tell me the difference in the two scenarios.

[toddgak]

that is the consistent I love to see.......nicely put htb

Agreed. The persons in charge may change and the players do change but I cheer for the program. Well said htb.

[toddgak]

that should settle it -- I think a few people owe Coach Les an apology...

and people have a right to their opinions on this subject without being falsely called out for not being "consistent".
I kinda see "being consistent" as someone who is not guided by the facts of the situation, but instead always making the same decision because of predetermined, rigid bias...
In other words, the very people calling for "consistency" and claiming they ARE consistent while others are not, are the ones ruled by their rigid biases and predetermined grudges.
Sure they might be "consistent" but it is clear they are consistently negative and anti-Bradley in every call they make!

Huh?

[Out of Balance]

Just talked to Coach Stowell, he was having coffee with someone from Bradley (don't want to say who). Told him how much I enjoyed him over the years, that he will be missed and good luck

[mrcoachdude]

Wow. Really? Being "OK" with change is "anti-JL"? That is patently absurd. I do agree with your point about talking about it now given the fact the season is about to start. OK to me also means they can be OK with staying the course. OK is also a fairly passive reaction. . .a far cry from anyone "advocating" anything.

However there is an enormous chasm with being indifferent and anti-something.

When Molinari was fired, there were many fans who were OK with change but also were OK if he was allowed to continue.

Dude...where is my quote is the word ok used? He said advocate and that is what I said..HUGE difference...HUGE

[squirrelgotdead]

Dude...where is my quote is the word ok used? He said advocate and that is what I said..HUGE difference...HUGE

No, he said "OK with and somewhat advocate" (the exact quote you referenced) which indicates only mildly favoring an opinion. Still a fairly passive statement which was twisted into "advocate" indicating actively pursuing.

So yes, you are correct, it is a HUGE difference.

[mrcoachdude]

If you advocate a change in leadership in the Presidency of the United States are you "anti-America"? That's nonsense.

No 2ay does one persons beliefs/thoughts "undermine" the program. That's ridiculous.

Couldn't it be spun the other way. Can't someone be SO PRO-BU that they want to win so badly and see BU succeed that they feel a change is the only way to get that done?

Tell me the difference in the two scenarios.

Quit trying your spin and putting words in my typing :-)

To advocate a change in the Prez is to run for the office or campaign against him..that is an ongoing process..that is the way its been forever nothing Anti American there...maybe anti-prez..

But to advocate a change in a coach is anti-coach I don't care who it is...its simple...you want (advocate) JL removed you are anti-JL

[toddgak]

Dude...where is my quote is the word ok used? He said advocate and that is what I said..HUGE difference...HUGE

Sheesh...are we really getting into word play here?

Being ok and supporting a change does not make one "anti-JL". Cheering for the team to lose, writing letters to him and administration telling him how bad he is, holding signs up at games, and making a public scene about how bad he is and how you want him gone....that would be "anti-JL".

I don't know of anyone who wants Bradley to lose so Jim will be gone. Who on this board, or anywhere, WANTS Bradley to lose (outside of ISU fans, etc.)?

[toddgak]

Quit trying your spin and putting words in my typing :-)

To advocate a change in the Prez is to run for the office or campaign against him..that is an ongoing process..that is the way its been forever nothing Anti American there...maybe anti-prez..

But to advocate a change in a coach is anti-coach I don't care who it is...its simple...you want (advocate) JL removed you are anti-JL

Can one be "anti-JL" and "pro Bradley"?? Similar to "anti-current President" but "pro America"? Or do they have to go together?

Anyway...see my other post what constitutes being "anti" anybody. It's goofy we even have this discussion.

What is this obsession with labeling and rating fans as one way or another? Either you are a Bradley fan or you aren't. Why is this such a hard thing to process? Why so much work being done trying to figure everyone out? Does how someone else feels about Jim Les affect the way someone else feels about him? Very, very odd.

[mrcoachdude]

Sheesh...are we really getting into word play here?


Being ok and supporting a change does not make one "anti-JL". Cheering for the team to lose, writing letters to him and administration telling him how bad he is, holding signs up at games, and making a public scene about how bad he is and how you want him gone....that would be "anti-JL".

I don't know of anyone who wants Bradley to lose so Jim will be gone. Who on this board, or anywhere, WANTS Bradley to lose (outside of ISU fans, etc.)?

Where is the word play? To advocate (your words) is completely different than being ok with it...again a HUGE difference...

You mean like those boooing last season? and yelling fire Les?


I am a simple guy...you are what you are...

[toddgak]

Where is the word play? To advocate (your words) is completely different than being ok with it...again a HUGE difference...

You mean like those boooing last season? and yelling fire Les?


I am a simple guy...you are what you are...

I am simple as well. I don't know about those yelling "Fire Les". I didn't hear it. But take your argument to them.

Again, why the obsession with labeling fans? Can't we all just be Bradley fans? Why is there so much weight on the "level" of fandom, who is what, what is who, who does what, who gives what, etc.

Its really, really goofy. From one simple man to another--help me out. Why is this such a big deal?