Early Preseason College Basketball Magazines and Previews

[cpacmel]

Out of curiosity, could you list the complete MVC recruiting rankings out of that publication?

From the Sporting News:

Rating the recruiting classes:

1. Drake
2. Creighton
3. Illinois State
4. Southern Illinois
5. Wichita State
6. Indiana State
7. Northern Iowa
8. Bradley
9. Missouri St
10. Evansville

[tornado]

a team that is strong with lots of seniors and everyone returning from the prior year would quite naturally be ranked low because they wouldn't have any open scholarships. Thus ranking recruiting classes is hard to interpret...

BTW -- Creighton is ranked at #2 -- and yet of their 3 new recruits (McDermott, Artino, and Manighat) I have heard or read of redshirt talk
on two of those three.....so just which recruits of Creighton's is that guy doing the ranking being swayed by??

[it's boogie time]

It's hard to believe that Bradley has an unused scholarship with all the new facilities to sell prospects on.

[BUFAN]

one service ranked Lamar as the 8th best recruiting class in the NATION this year -- so much for ranking recruiting classes..

Here are a couple other reminders...
in both 2007 & 2008, SIU had recruiting classes that were ranked nationally - they are 33-30, 14-22 in Valley play since
In 2007 & 2008 Indiana had Top 10 recruiting classes nationally, they are 16-46, 5-31 in the BT since

If the players would have stuck around i'm certain they would have lived up to their hype.

[tornado]

It's hard to believe that Bradley has an unused scholarship with all the new facilities to sell prospects on.

we have lots of unused ones for upcoming years, and most of that is good...
the one 2010 ride we have was because we were first holding it for JW, then for MO, but we were foiled by factors outside our control.
Seems like it's danged if you do, danged if you don't...if you don't hold a scholarship for a big man -- one half of the fans erupt,
but if we do hold it for a big man, then we sure don't want to just throw it away on someone who won't help at all.

[DoubleJayAlum]

a team that is strong with lots of seniors and everyone returning from the prior year would quite naturally be ranked low because they wouldn't have any open scholarships. Thus ranking recruiting classes is hard to interpret...

BTW -- Creighton is ranked at #2 -- and yet of their 3 new recruits (McDermott, Artino, and Manighat) I have heard or read of redshirt talk
on two of those three.....so just which recruits of Creighton's is that guy doing the ranking being swayed by??

So if a kid redshirts, he must suck? Interesting logic....

[tornado]

then it is YOUR logic, because I sure cannot see anything to suggest anyone else made that point

[BUFAN]

we have lots of unused ones for upcoming years, and most of that is good...
the one 2010 ride we have was because we were first holding it for JW, then for MO, but we were foiled by factors outside our control.
Seems like it's danged if you do, danged if you don't...if you don't hold a scholarship for a big man -- one half of the fans erupt,
but if we do hold it for a big man, then we sure don't want to just throw it away on someone who won't help at all.

Why can't Jim recruit a big man with all the carrots Bradley has given him. Top notch pratice facility, 9000 crazed fans for every home game the no 3 nonBCS conference in the land, high graguation rate, alumni success in the pros. Please don't tell me MO and JW are the only big men out there.

[tornado]

Recruiting requires relationships that are built 1-2 years in advance, so the facilities couldn't have helped until now...so you're being a bit unfair.....

..feel free to e mail JL and give him some names, but I can assure you he's working as hard as any other MVC coach, and he's the only one in the league who's landed a future NBA center and a future lottery pick center -- and we lost 2 years (2006-2007 and 2007-2008 ) of POB's services because he WAS good enough to go in the draft, so I think you're being a bit harsh on him..

[it's boogie time]

the one 2010 ride we have was because we were first holding it for JW, then for MO, but we were foiled by factors outside our control.
Seems like it's danged if you do, danged if you don't...if you don't hold a scholarship for a big man -- one half of the fans erupt,
but if we do hold it for a big man, then we sure don't want to just throw it away on someone who won't help at all.

It's really not a danged if you do, danged if you don't situation. It you land the needed big man, fans will be happy. If you don't, they won't be. It's a results oriented business. At this point, the thirteenth scholarship is empty (I assume a walkon will recieve it at some point).

It sounds like there is a lot of talent in the Illinois class of 2011. Hopefully, all of them will be accounted for next season.

[BUFAN]

Recruiting requires relationships that are built 1-2 years in advance, so the facilities couldn't have helped until now...so you're being a bit unfair.....

..feel free to e mail JL and give him some names, but I can assure you he's working as hard as any other MVC coach, and he's the only one in the league who's landed a future NBA center and a future lottery pick center -- and we lost 2 years (2006-2007 and 2007-2008 ) of POB's services because he WAS good enough to go in the draft, so I think you're being a bit harsh on him..

Remember JL is the one tha.t told PO he was ready for the NBA and nothing could have been farther from the truth. He can't even play in the d league. Anyhow JL didn't recuite him he was reruited by AB and MO and arrived under J

[BU RICK]

I'm looking forward to what Willie Scott and Jim Platt do in terms of helping us recruit. We've got one filled with DS and with 3 seniors and the open scholarship, that would leave us 3 open scholarships for next year. I like the idea that we banked the one we couldn't fill when we thought we were going to do it and it didn't happen.

What I'm really looking forward to is what Willie Scott and Jim Platt can add to the coaching mix and game plan. I also like that Kyle Vogt is still an assistant and the addition of JC. We've got a good staff and and players so I know that translates into of good season, best season since the S16 run and maybe this time too.

[Braves4Life]

Remember JL is the one tha.t told PO he was ready for the NBA and nothing could have been farther from the truth.

Sorry BUFAN but you've simply got your facts wrong here. The truth is JL nearly had a falling out with POB and, it's rumored, did have a falling out with POB's father because he DID NOT feel POB was ready. In the end, I think the decision came down to dollars and cents....... and there's no denying that POB made the right decision here, IMO.

[tornado]

Remember JL is the one tha.t told PO he was ready for the NBA ...

I really doubt Jim Les said any such thing, and in fact I clearly recall Coach Les' words spoken from the podium
at the post-season banquet that was held in the exhibit hall at the Civic Center because of the huge crowd...

As I recall..this is essentially what he said..
"I am going to tell you people (the audience) exactly what I have told Patrick and his family,
that I am not sure he is ready yet for the NBA but if he is assured of going in the top 10,
then I cannot deny that would be an opportunity that is too good to pass up...and I would expect him to take that opportunity.."
Then he turned directly towards POB and said..."If you are a top 10 pick, you should go. If not, you should stay."


Here is the link to our discussion of that speech...

http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=4436#post4436

[dogsrus]

Remember JL is the one tha.t told PO he was ready for the NBA and nothing could have been farther from the truth. He can't even play in the d league. Anyhow JL didn't recuite him he was reruited by AB and MO and arrived under J

JL did NOT tell him he was "ready" ..he told him IF you were a top ten pick you should go.


EDIT. Sorry I should have read the posts before mine...but the facts remain the same. Didn't mean to pile on.