NCAA's NEW APR and Academic Data

[tornado]

Check which D-I basketball coach has one of the best APR scores in all of NCAA basketball!!

http://web1.ncaa.org/coachAprSearch/exec/searchSelectAction?searchSelectActionSubmit=Start

BU - Jim Les 980
CU - Dana Altman 960
DU - Mark Phelps 979
UE - Marty Simmons 932
ISU - Tim Jankovich 924
InSU - Kevin McKenna 923
MSU - Cuonzo Martin 865
UNI - Ben Jacobson 980
SIU - Chris Lowery 957
WSU - Gregg Marshall 980

Again ... congrats to the staff and players -- getting it done the right way!!

BTW -- 925 is the NCAA cutoff for acceptable...and Missouri State has already paid the price with the loss of a scholarships.
ISU and InSU are on the verge..........

[amckillip]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, every time this topic gets brought up. I'll gladly take our APR and BBall success over ILSU's APR and their BBall success.

[tornado]

The NCAA database allows you to check other coaches...as the NCAA tracks the academic success of their athletes...

Here are a representative few to compare our Valley guys with...(2008-2009 - the newest data available)

-Herb Sendek, Arizona State 933
-Scott Drew, Baylor 962
-Benjy Taylor, Chicago State 808
-Oliver Purnell, Clemson 918
-John Thompson III, Georgetown 929
-Greg McDermott's final year at UNI, 2005-2006 - 923
-Bob Huggins at Cincy 2005-2006 - 782, at K-State 2006-2007 - 870
-Ritchie McKay at New Mexico 2006-2007 878, and at Liberty 2007-2009 - 936 and 957
-Rob Judson at NIU 2006-2007 - 885!!
-Kelvin Sampson 2005-2006 at Oklahoma St. 875, and 2007-2008 at Indiana 811!!!
-Rick Majerus in all three of his years at Saint Louis, 2006-2009, 958, 894, 933!
-Jim Boeheim, Syracuse 865
-Billy Gillispie at Kentucky 2008-2009 - 922
-Ben Howland, UCLA 930
-Jim Calhoun, UConn 844 (909 the previous year!)
-Tom Penders, Houston 837 !! (in fact in the last 6 years his numbers have been 915, 902, 898, 894, 906, 837 -- all quite horrible)
-Jimmy Collins, UIC 907
-Bruce Weber, Illinois 980
-John Calipari, Kentucky 922
-Rick Pitino, Louisville 923
-Gary Williams, Maryland 962 (up from 818 a couple years ago)
-Lon Kruger, UNLV 943
-Todd Lickliter, Iowa 915
-Ernie Kent, Oregon 870
-Larry Eustachy, Southern Miss. 938



Here's a couple that may spark discussion...
-Travis Ford when he was at Eastern Kentucky 2004-2005 - 896, then
Travis Ford in 2006-2007 at UMass - 848, then
Travis Ford in 2008-2009 at Oklahoma State - 875!
-Jim Molinari, WIU 1000 (Congrats Mo!!)
-Elvis Dominguez, baseball, final year at EKU - 903, first two years at BU - 975, 973
-Binghamton, where Mark Macon serves as interim coach and was touted as a great choice for BU, 958, 926, 938 plus terrible scandal over the past 3 years..

[cpacmel]

Thanks for the link Tornado. Some very interesting #'s. Does anyone know if how they calcuate these has changed over the last 6 years?

Here are some #'s for the MVC Coaches

Phelps ( 1 season @ Drake)
979

Altman ( 6 seasons @ Creighton )
965 AVG
1000 High
931 Low

Jankovich ( 2 seasons @ Illinois State)
962 AVG
1000 High
924 Low

Les ( 6 seasons @ Bradley)
956 AVG
980 High
917 Low

Lowery ( 6 seasons at SIU)
954 AVG
1000 High
888 Low
Jacobsen ( 3 seasons at UNI)
954 AVG
981 High
900 Low


Simmons ( 2 seasons at UE)
947 AVG
961 High
932 Low

Marshall ( 2 seasons at WSU)
946 AVG
980 High
911 Low

McKenna ( 2 seasons at Indy State)
913 AVG
923 High
902 Low

Martin ( 1 season at Mo State)
865

[AZ BU Fan]

If only a "980" would get BU an at large big to the NCAA, or at least a first round bye in the MVC Tourney!

[amckillip]

...or at least a first round bye in the MVC Tourney!

Don't need need it, been quite a while since we haven't had a first round bye.

[tornado]

NCAA corrects a few reporting errors by ESPN

http://ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2010+news+stories/august+latest+news/get+it+right+on+apr+issues

[BuB]

[QUOTE=cpacmel;188246]Thanks for the link Tornado. Some very interesting #'s. Does anyone know if how they calcuate these has changed over the last 6 years?



Looks like the APR numbers are calculated a couple of ways. One number reflects the graduated players from that season. This goes back to who was given a scholarship 4 years earlier, a juco grad, or a transfer who came in and graduated. I am not sure but I don't think walk-ons do not count. Only scholarship players count.

Another APR number that is calculated is based on the overall average over a 4 year period. I think this is the number the NCAA uses when they rate the school sport. All the possible graduated players are put together and a number is generated.

A coach who comes in new to a school will not be graded on his recruited players but the old coaches players. Once they have been there for 4 years you can get a good reading on a program and the type of student athlete they bring in.

The APR system has changed over time. Each sport, men and women, have different rules and situations. APR numbers actually change when a player comes back to school and graduates after 4 years. Transfers who leave a D1 school but graduate at another D1 school affect numbers. The draft used to drag numbers down. Retention rates and if a transfer was academically eligible at the time of transfer all come into play when figuring APR.

[amckillip]

[QUOTE=BuB;188381]

Thanks for the link Tornado. Some very interesting #'s. Does anyone know if how they calcuate these has changed over the last 6 years?



Looks like the APR numbers are calculated a couple of ways. One number reflects the graduated players from that season. This goes back to who was given a scholarship 4 years earlier, a juco grad, or a transfer who came in and graduated. I am not sure but I don't think walk-ons do not count. Only scholarship players count.

Another APR number that is calculated is based on the overall average over a 4 year period. I think this is the number the NCAA uses when they rate the school sport. All the possible graduated players are put together and a number is generated.

A coach who comes in new to a school will not be graded on his recruited players but the old coaches players. Once they have been there for 4 years you can get a good reading on a program and the type of student athlete they bring in.

The APR system has changed over time. Each sport, men and women, have different rules and situations. APR numbers actually change when a player comes back to school and graduates after 4 years. Transfers who leave a D1 school but graduate at another D1 school affect numbers. The draft used to drag numbers down. Retention rates and if a transfer was academically eligible at the time of transfer all come into play when figuring APR.

The APR is so seriously easy to do well on, teams below the passing mark really should be embarrassed of themselves.

[SFP]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, every time this topic gets brought up. I'll gladly take our APR and BBall success over ILSU's APR and their BBall success.

I'm in your camp. School should be bout academics. Go figure. I'm glad that JL see's it that way along with the administration. A great NCAA record does squat for our graduates when it comes to job placement. A great academic reputation goes a lot further. I'm not saying the PR factor from playing doesn't hurt but there needs to be a balance.

[AZ BU Fan]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the APR of a school's athletes has little to do with the reputation of a school's academic prowess and the job prospects of its non athletic grads. Athletes at BU represent 1-1.5% of the student body. I don't think the college academic ranking institutions look at a schools' athlete's APR to determine the academic ranking of a school.

Perhaps BU staticians could do a survey of potential employers as to how much emphasis they put on a school's athlete APR when comparing candidates from different schools.

[SFP]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the APR of a school's athletes has little to do with the reputation of a school's academic prowess and the job prospects of its non athletic grads. Athletes at BU represent 1-1.5% of the student body. I don't think the college academic ranking institutions look at a schools' athlete's APR to determine the academic ranking of a school.

Perhaps BU staticians could do a survey of potential employers as to how much emphasis they put on a school's athlete APR when comparing candidates from different schools.

AZ you are right but a schools reputation is. So you have two prospective and one came from a school that is known for a few NCAA championships but a party school where everyone knows basket weaving is part of the curriculum and another school where academics regardless is taken serious. They have the same major, personalities and GPA. Who do you higher? Grad school candidates? The whole school reputation is a branding exercise that is permeated throughout. Why do you think the Ivy institutions do not give scholastic scholarships? They could easily afford it.