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  • #46
    Two different organizations are working towards making Cheerleading a competitive sport at the college lavel and getting NCAA approval.
    BUT -- there are OPPONENTS....since making Cheer a sport, will reduce spots on other women's athletic teams like volleyball, softball, swimming, etc...and may even lead to schools, even D-I schools dropping entire women's sports.
    If an NCAA school can count the 10, 12, or even 16 slots that they have filled with female cheerleaders towards their Title IX requirements, then there'd be far, far less need for those schools to support BIG-TIME money losing women's sports such as softball, rugby, etc...
    The battle will be interesting, but what amazes me is that there's a good sized component of this debate who argue that women ought to HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!
    They want to find some loophole to get the NCAA to allow Cheer to become a TRUE sport but to somehow have
    an exclusion to the TITLE IX rules and NOT have those cheer athletes count towards the Title IX numbers!!!
    Talk about hypocrisy!!!
    There are now two competing plans to turn competitive cheerleading into an NCAA recognized sport.



    But -- here's the real push behind some parents who have their kids doing competitive cheerleading...
    The article linked below points out that some parents shell out upwards of $10,000 a year for training, costumes, and travel
    (and even more for makeup & plastic surgery!!) in the field of competitive cheer!
    Guess what....they don't want to have to pay that -- they want the schools to have to pay it-- an thus the taxpayers!!!




    OT -- here's one aspect of this debate that actually gets almost out into the Twilight Zone...
    This article quotes Disney actress Ashley Tisdale ....
    "..actress Ashley Tisdale told readers “to anyone who thinks cheerleading isn’t a sport,
    I can definitely tell you that it is.” Tisdale plays a cheerleader on the CW show “Hellcats,”
    which premieres tonight"



    ....first...she's just an actress who plays a cheerleader, not a real cheerleader, so just what makes her an expert anyway
    and why is this article even quoting her as if her opinion is like the Encyclopedia Brittanica?

    ....and second, what value is her opinion when a JUDGE, who spent weeks hearing and researching ALL SIDES of this article ruled 100% the opposite!!
    Of course everyone can have an opinion but...wouldn't you think the judge is way more of an expert on all the factors??

    ...everything I read on this topic reeks of hidden political agendas, selfish parents wanting someone else to pay the expenses, and bitter rivalries and disputes even between the virtually identical looking competitors...read this...from one 15-year old competitor who is dissing on the other girls who only do sideline cheering..
    "Girls that cheer competitively are braver,” Garcia said about the time difference between sideline chants and the structured two and a half minute routine the cheerleaders complete at competitions. “You’re not just going through the motions – you have to go full out. Not everyone can be a (competitive) cheerleader (like me). You have to be talented, mentally and physically, and you have to have determination. (and thus hinting that those sideline cheerleaders are flabby and wimpy)."

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    • #47
      Originally posted by tornado View Post
      Two different organizations are working towards making Cheerleading a competitive sport at the college lavel and getting NCAA approval.
      BUT -- there are OPPONENTS....since making Cheer a sport, will reduce spots on other women's athletic teams like volleyball, softball, swimming, etc...and may even lead to schools, even D-I schools dropping entire women's sports.
      If an NCAA school can count the 10, 12, or even 16 slots that they have filled with female cheerleaders towards their Title IX requirements, then there'd be far, far less need for those schools to support BIG-TIME money losing women's sports such as softball, rugby, etc...
      The battle will be interesting, but what amazes me is that there's a good sized component of this debate who argue that women ought to HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!
      They want to find some loophole to get the NCAA to allow Cheer to become a TRUE sport but to somehow have
      an exclusion to the TITLE IX rules and NOT have those cheer athletes count towards the Title IX numbers!!!
      Talk about hypocrisy!!!
      There are now two competing plans to turn competitive cheerleading into an NCAA recognized sport.



      But -- here's the real push behind some parents who have their kids doing competitive cheerleading...
      The article linked below points out that some parents shell out upwards of $10,000 a year for training, costumes, and travel
      (and even more for makeup & plastic surgery!!) in the field of competitive cheer!
      Guess what....they don't want to have to pay that -- they want the schools to have to pay it-- an thus the taxpayers!!!




      OT -- here's one aspect of this debate that actually gets almost out into the Twilight Zone...
      This article quotes Disney actress Ashley Tisdale ....
      "..actress Ashley Tisdale told readers ???to anyone who thinks cheerleading isn??™t a sport,
      I can definitely tell you that it is.??? Tisdale plays a cheerleader on the CW show ???Hellcats,???
      which premieres tonight"



      ....first...she's just an actress who plays a cheerleader, not a real cheerleader, so just what makes her an expert anyway
      and why is this article even quoting her as if her opinion is like the Encyclopedia Brittanica?

      ....and second, what value is her opinion when a JUDGE, who spent weeks hearing and researching ALL SIDES of this article ruled 100% the opposite!!
      Of course everyone can have an opinion but...wouldn't you think the judge is way more of an expert on all the factors??

      ...everything I read on this topic reeks of hidden political agendas, selfish parents wanting someone else to pay the expenses, and bitter rivalries and disputes even between the virtually identical looking competitors...read this...from one 15-year old competitor who is dissing on the other girls who only do sideline cheering..
      "Girls that cheer competitively are braver,??? Garcia said about the time difference between sideline chants and the structured two and a half minute routine the cheerleaders complete at competitions. ???You??™re not just going through the motions ??“ you have to go full out. Not everyone can be a (competitive) cheerleader (like me). You have to be talented, mentally and physically, and you have to have determination. (and thus hinting that those sideline cheerleaders are flabby and wimpy)."
      Tornado - I was reading through your post and had some thoughts I wanted to share.

      1.) You really need to make a distinction (and this is where we lose most people) between cheerleading that is affiliated with a school and cheerleading that isn't...otherwise known as Allstar Cheerleading.

      Presently, school cheerleaders are "sideline" cheerleaders...a lot of whom, compete. Most competitive school squads are devised of cheerleaders that also cheer on the sidelines. Think of it as a kind of a prerequisite. This is how 99% of all competitive school squads operate at the elementary, highschool, and collegiate level.

      The "Allstars" do nothing but train on traditional cheerleading skills (partner stunts, pyramids, basket tosses, etc.), they do not directly represent a community or school...and in the opinion of the majority of cheerleaders and coaches do more to damage the reputation of the athletic activity known as cheerleading than they do to forward it.

      It may come as a surprise, but we cheerleaders have a forum as well. The discussion about Allstars and all the problems that they have brought to our athletic activity have caused. Discussed at length here (if you are interested): http://boards.varsity.com/index.php/topic,710.0.html

      2.) The reference you made to parents shelling out over $10k for their daughters is certainly astounding, but hardly accurate, if taken out of context. This is also a reference to "Allstar Cheerleading". The two (school and allstars) should not be compared as they are completely different. Having been a cheerleader in HS and now, in college, I can tell you that I have never spent more than $500/year (most of which is in gas costs driving in to campus over winter break and things like sweatshirts, etc.).

      Bottom line - School Cheerleading and Allstar Cheerleading are about as similar as golf and putt-putt. Some of the basic principles are the same but one needs glitter and tricks to have any amount of substance. There can be no serious comparision between the two.

      3.) Most of the cheerleaders that are upset about cheerleading not being a sport are uninformed about the real issues behind the judges decision. They mistakenly believe that if the NCAA calls cheerleading a sport that they will somehow instantly be validated and gain the respect of their piers.

      Most of these cheerleaders also don't understand the implications of what they are pining for either.

      Simply a matter of not knowing all the facts.

      - - -

      Just a couple of cents from a cheerleader.

      Have a great day. GO BRAVES!!!
      www.bradleyspirit.com

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      • #48
        I have a lot of respect for what the cheerleaders do but I still do not believe it is a sport. I have respect for a lot of different activities that take on physical attributes but there needs to be a fine line between what is a sport and what is entertainment. Is dance a sport or entertainment?
        "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
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        • #49
          I understand the difference, but tried to show that some proponents want the best of both worlds....
          they want cheerleading to be deemed a competitive sport and request that NCAA host championships and competitions since half the time they train for and compete in events...
          ...but at the same time, deem it NOT to be a sport whose members count towards the total required by Title IX since the other half of the time they simply stand on the sidelines and support the other sports...
          so you see, I am well aware of the "dual life" that cheerleaders live, and as for that $10K comment -- read the article, it didn't come from me - - it was an exact quote from a mom who wants schools to sponsor the cheer teams so the moms won't have to foot the bills!

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          • #50
            Originally posted by bradleyspirit View Post
            Tornado - I was reading through your post and had some thoughts I wanted to share.
            .......
            Just a couple of cents from a cheerleader......
            Have a great day. GO BRAVES!!!
            -------------------------------------------------------------------------

            Agree or not, this was very well written!

            I suspect, Bradleyspirit, you will have a great career somewhere, someday, based on your ability to read, think, and compose your ideas into a rational argument defining your position.

            BU Cheerleaders also excel at debate!

            What a fantastic combination of athleticism and intelligence! Based on your Avatar, you can also add good looks to your resume! Never hurts!

            This gives me increased hope for the future of America (and continuation of my pension checks and future SS ).

            Good luck to you in your college experience and beyond.

            PS And if I make it back for a BU game while you are cheerleading, please toss me a shirt!
            BUilding for the Future

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            • #51
              Thanks for the input BU-spirit, I love the cheerleaders, I've had two daughters who have been cheerleaders and I respect the hard work they put into their endeavor...and I predict this controversy over whether it is or isn't a sport, will likely never end..
              It was a controversy 2 decades ago and is even moreso nowbecause of the implications either way and the massive $$ involved and hypocrisy involved driven by Title IX

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              • #52
                Simply put?

                No. It is a distraction always late to the train or motor of momentum.

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                • #53
                  I always wondered; Is professional wrestling a "Sport"?

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                  • #54
                    every bit as much as roller derby!

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                    • #55
                      sorry to dredge out this old thread - but I believe we now have THE official answer to this question...
                      Cheerleading is not a sport and any effort to make it a sport would naturally cause a very undesirable effect of losing competetive positions on other college teams...


                      The question is such a simple question but becomes such a hard one to answer when one party in this argument wants some aspects of having it BOTH WAYS..

                      Quinnippiac has decided to force the issue by making a move they knew would land the whole thing in court and finally solve it one way or the other but not give in to the cheerleading advocates' demands to pick and choose to have the benefits of BOTH sides of the argument.
                      (they want it to be a sport but not to count against their OWN Title IX requirements!)
                      Now the Appeals court confirms that Cheerleading is NOT a sport

                      "A federal appeals court has ruled that colleges cannot count competetive cheerleading as a sport" (under Title IX)


                      I get a little kick out of this whole arbitrary thing...since those who want special benefits for female athletes kinda try to play both sides of this argument....quite hypocritically...

                      They claim cheerleading IS a sport and that women should be given scholarships, enter competitions, win awards, and reap all the glory given to any other athlete in any other sport...

                      BUT -- they simultaneously do NOT want those "athletes" and "competitors" counted as scholarship athletes for the purpose of title IX...they want it both ways...
                      The courts are trying like crazy to help them along but obviously even the courts can't be this hypocritical - so they have to label cheerleading as "NOT A SPORT"...

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                      • #56
                        So I'm guessing you also don't support adding pole dancing to future Olympic Gymnastics events

                        BUilding for the Future

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                        • #57
                          I'd maybe watch pole dancing before I'd watch the synchronized diving..

                          but I am starting a campaign to bring back the Olympic sport of live pigeon shooting -- I have heard there's a lot of support for this sport in downtown Peoria and out by the McDonalds on Knoxville...



                          and for a few more giggles - here's the list of other prior Olympic Sports that have been discontinued somewhere over the past 112 years
                          ..Mixed (men & women) Indian Club tossing, plunge diving (deepest depth), one-handed weight lifting, motor boat racing, dogsled racing, and Croquet....

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by tornado View Post
                            ...here's the list of other prior Olympic Sports that have been discontinued somewhere over the past 112 years...
                            Also baseball and softball.

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