What's up with Mo?

[houstontxbrave]

why has the program struggled to succeed?

Ill take a stab at this one:

We have gotten out rebounded in those 4 years by a combined 388 boards.

4495 to 4883.

None of those recuits listed have been capable of making a difference in the rebounding part of the game. We as a program are behind the better teams in this conference because we have been unable to control the paint/interior defense and rebounding.

[Beninator]

From what I am reading on this thread, and given that we just signed a 6'10 guy, I'll be shocked if he is in a BU uni this year. There is nothing wrong with banking the last scholarship for a recruit in next years class.

[Future Walk-On]

You have to click on show other pages. The link is still there.

MO is facebook friends with Jim Les, Eric Buescher, and Kyle Vogt.

yeah he is also now a fan of **** Off.............

so is this what he is saying to the NCAA?

[basketball nut]

Ill take a stab at this one:

We have gotten out rebounded in those 4 years by a combined 388 boards.

4495 to 4883.

None of those recuits listed have been capable of making a difference in the rebounding part of the game. We as a program are behind the better teams in this conference because we have been unable to control the paint/interior defense and rebounding.

Couldn't agree more. This has been a problem for a long time and even before JL came along. The problem I see is he hasn't got that part changed yet. Maybe the new coaches will get that changed now.
Let's practice rebounding like MSU does-take a page out of Izzo's rebounding book and use it and the players don't leave the gym until they get it. No shooting shots just rebounding and running.

[SFP]

Ill take a stab at this one:

We have gotten out rebounded in those 4 years by a combined 388 boards.

4495 to 4883.

None of those recuits listed have been capable of making a difference in the rebounding part of the game. We as a program are behind the better teams in this conference because we have been unable to control the paint/interior defense and rebounding.

Houston I agree with you and so does JL. I asked him what does he want from a player from our last scholarship and he said any position as long as he can REBOUND! I'm also hoping that the players coming back will work on that part of their game. TB can rebound when he has the desire and WE needs to learn how to better put himself in a defensive position to better anticipate the ball and box out the other guys big. The problem though has been more on the weak side rebound and that has to do with the the other players boxing out their man. We need to rebound as a team until we get a dominate rebounder.

[amckillip]

Ill take a stab at this one:

We have gotten out rebounded in those 4 years by a combined 388 boards.

4495 to 4883.

None of those recuits listed have been capable of making a difference in the rebounding part of the game. We as a program are behind the better teams in this conference because we have been unable to control the paint/interior defense and rebounding.

Couldn't agree more. This has been a problem for a long time and even before JL came along. ...

No shooting shots just rebounding and running.

Houston I agree with you and so does JL ...
We need to rebound as a team until we get a dominate rebounder.

Somehow I knew this thread would bring out the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the "sky-is-falling" fans.

...

And you mention Anthony Davis, as if he is the only recruit Bradley has for 2010. Did you forget Walter Lemon? BU fans will love his game.

All great posts. I agree that this isn't just a JL problem, but I don't think he has done enough to fix it. As many on here know, I believe it's a lot harder to get talented big men to the MVC than people think. I really don't think the problem is in who JL has recruited and landed, but rather the philosophy on the floor regarding rebounding.

[Da Coach]

AMCKILLIP--- I have to take issue with you regarding our recruiting over the past several years. Overall, we have recruited good players but not GREAT players. No 1st team all MVC, no high NBA draft choices---Players who are good kids and good enough to place us 4th or 5th in the conference but not good enough to contend or win it! Also a number of hyped players who badly under-
performed and didn't contribute much.
Where are the Mitchell Andersons, Voice Winters, David Thirdkills, Donald Reeses, Willie Scotts, Hersey Hawkins, Jim Les's, Anthony Parkers, Etc? For whatever reason, we seem to be unable to land these kind of players which we MUST have if the program is to ever be more than mediocre. So, I still maintain that our recruiting has been "Ho-Hum".
Now we have some wonderful new facilities and we'll see if they help, but, thus far, not much has changed.
I believe the 2010/2011 season will be pivotable and if we can't rise above our current mediocre level, changes will need to be made.

I am sure you will recall that Willie Scott was not highly recruited, in fact he transferred to BU from an unknown small college (Hillsdale). Hersey Hawkins had only 1 other D1 scholarship offer (from Eastern Washington). David Thirdkill, Donald Reese, and Jim Les were all virtually unheard-of, and had little or no D1 interest out of high school. Even Anthony Parker did not have any bigger schools offering him. So please don't suggest that Bradley was always landing highly-ranked recruits in the past. That has never been the case. Bradley has always had to look for the kids with potential, or who were under-the-radar. I think we have some of those kinds of players now.

[tornado]

from 2004 thru 2008 season, Creighton was also outrebounded by substantial numbers...(they were outrebounded by 100 or more two of those seasons)..
yet in that same span, they won more games than anyone else in the Valley...
I guess if you just look at one stat, you can find an aberration....so did Dana do a terrible job over that span and recruit all the wrong players??

[Braves4Life]

And you mention Anthony Davis, as if he is the only recruit Bradley has for 2010. Did you forget Walter Lemon? BU fans will love his game.

I think when all is said and done Bradleyfans will be VERY happy with the recruits landed over the last few years. I think there will be more than one "impact player" from last year, this year, and next year's classes.

[houstontxbrave]

from 2004 thru 2008 season, Creighton was also outrebounded by substantial numbers...(they were outrebounded by 100 or more two of those seasons)..
yet in that same span, they won more games than anyone else in the Valley...
I guess if you just look at one stat, you can find an aberration....so did Dana do a terrible job over that span and recruit all the wrong players??

You typed here the other day about how poor a shooter Eldrige was at ISU continuing to hammer his poor shot selection, poor %'s yet you find it acceptable to say it is wrong to only look at one stat... interesting.

Regardless, whatever Creighton did or didnt do is not my concern, my concern is Bradley and our continued neglect in rebounding the basketball and how that neglect has allowed teams to have mulitpule offensive possessions. The object of this sport is to out score your opponent and when you have more possessions you will tend to have more opportunities to score and win games.

We have lost games simply because we have been out rebounded and occasionally that number has been incredibly high.

You would have to be overdosing on Red Kool Aide if you could not see that our lack of rebounding and the lack of interior defense/offense has been a direct reflection of the lack of success Bradley has had on the basketball floor since 2006.

[Scotty D.]

Hey just joined because I've always loved Bradley basketball and I've been on the forum a few times but never bothered to create an account, plus this whole topic makes me want to throw in my two cents however cheap it may be lol. I think there needs to be more credit given to Walter Lemon. True we desperately need a big man to grab those boards, but if AD doesn't come through there's always another recruiting season plus he'll probably develop eventually like most college big men do. But I think we need to look forward to what WL can bring to the table, I've been around the Chicago area and I heard this kid can really play, not to mention he has a great name to set up some chants P.S. Is the deal with MO as dead as it seems?
P.S.P.S- Has anyone actually seen AD play or anything? To be quite honest I've never heard of the kid until now.

[MacabreMob]

P.S.P.S- Has anyone actually seen AD play or anything? To be quite honest I've never heard of the kid until now.

Welcome to the board Scotty D.

Just my 2 cents... I haven't seen AD, but I'm putting more hope in AT contributing more than AD.

[Out of Balance]

You typed here the other day about how poor a shooter Eldrige was at ISU continuing to hammer his poor shot selection, poor %'s yet you find it acceptable to say it is wrong to only look at one stat... interesting.

Regardless, whatever Creighton did or didnt do is not my concern, my concern is Bradley and our continued neglect in rebounding the basketball and how that neglect has allowed teams to have mulitpule offensive possessions. The object of this sport is to out score your opponent and when you have more possessions you will tend to have more opportunities to score and win games.

We have lost games simply because we have been out rebounded and occasionally that number has been incredibly high.

You would have to be overdosing on Red Kool Aide if you could not see that our lack of rebounding and the lack of interior defense/offense has been a direct reflection of the lack of success Bradley has had on the basketball floor since 2006.

The hell with a inside game, I love playing small and watching bombs fly

[tornado]

You typed here the other day about how poor a shooter Eldrige was at ISU continuing to hammer his poor shot selection, poor %'s yet you find it acceptable to say it is wrong to only look at one stat... interesting....

I think you read something that was not there...
no place did I say it was "wrong" as you have alleged - to look at one stat...
but if you do you may see an aberration...

In the case of Eldridge...I did not look at one stat...go back and see (and try to be fair and admit it) that I checked numerous stats over the entirety of Eldridge's career...
his scoring numbers, shooting percentage, 3-pt percentage, etc...and even stats you won't find anywhere else like his shooting percentage in the final minutes of games, etc...
I honestly did give a wealth of data on him before drawing any conclusion, but you are entitled to believe the opposite..and I never said anyone's way of interpreting the data is wrong...

[houstontxbrave]

I think you read something that was not there...
no place did I say it was "wrong" as you have alleged - to look at one stat...
but if you do you may see an aberration...

In the case of Eldridge...I did not look at one stat...go back and see (and try to be fair and admit it) that I checked numerous stats over the entirety of Eldridge's career...
his scoring numbers, shooting percentage, 3-pt percentage, etc...and even stats you won't find anywhere else like his shooting percentage in the final minutes of games, etc...
I honestly did give a wealth of data on him before drawing any conclusion, but you are entitled to believe the opposite..and I never said anyone's way of interpreting the data is wrong...

Aberration is what you wrote. Truth is our lack of rebounding has been a direct reflection on the win/lose record at Bradley. I am certain an aberriation can be found in the being out rebounded by 388 boards in 4 years. Where I have no idea but Im sure if someone wants to spin numbers it could be found.

As far as OE. You wrote so much about his game as it pertained to his shooting and you refused to look at the entire game from baseline to baseline that I give up. He was a good solid basketball player at ISU and if he wore a BU uniform your numbers would trend towards him being one of the all time best at BU.