SIU's Anthony Booker transfers to Iowa State

[amckillip]

SIU - guy -- when you can name anyone who gets nailed with felony charges at Bradley - or even one guy whose offense was so bad that it is actually even still on the books...then I'll pay attention...
(all of the BU guys had such minor issues that they were given either deferred prosecution or supervision and the charges were either not pursued or they were expunged)

SIU actually had two guys on the roster simultaneously who were facing felony charges..one of whom they went out and even recruited after the charges forced him out of his last school.

I don't deny BU has had a few issues but they have all been punished way stricter than any other Valley school does it....
and BU has had nothing of the magnitude as other schools --- recall that on the very day Ryan Hare played in the game against UMass (11/12/0 he was in court earlier that day for the trial for his underage drinking arrest...

http://judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL039015J&ocl=IL039015J,2008OV1582,IL039015JL2008OV1582D1

http://siusalukis.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2008-2009/siu2.html

That's serious discipline and obviously it blew up in CLo's face to be so easy..
we saw the same thing at ISU when Sampay had an underage drinking and DIU and was practicing the next day despite Jank saying he was completely suspended from all team related activities, then he started and played every game - no discipline at all.

Don't forget the infamous chant... POY=DUI...

[amckillip]

I don't expect fair and balanced but I am free to comment on it as I am breaking none of the board rules. I will definitely spin it in SIU's way as well. That said, I would never spout off about another teams player getting a DUI as SIU fans have no room to talk when it comes to that.

I will give you some positive spin. SIU is only losing a player who averaged 6 and 4, won't be a blow to them at all. His production will be more then replaced by Gene Teague and even with another losing season, Teague will still have as many NCAA tourney wins as Taylor Brown and his 14 and 7. In the end, aside from getting a degree, that is all that matters.

I like TB's chances a lot more than Teague's. Oh, and on that degree thing, I'll take BU too...

And just loosing Booker? What about Mr. Basketball 12.5 ppg, 5 apg Kevin Dillard?

[dogsrus]

Didn't Kevin Clancy transfer/get booted due to beating up/hitting his girlfriend.....didn't Ruffin get into some serious hot water with a women.....didn't POB and another get suspended for improper benefits.....didn't Taylor Brown seek out and punch a guy at his place of work.....hasn't he been suspended 3 times for various infractions...didn't a couple BU players get busted for illegal consumption....?


WHile we can argue the severity of various offenses at various schools BU is not immune to players behaving badly much like most any other campus in the United States.

Its a disturbing trend and I hope it stops everywhere. I applaud BU for the discipline they are usually quick to set forth I would love to see the day when they don't have to even hand out anty punishments at all.....

THIS year would be a good start.

I understand some like to toss stones from their glass house but I often wonder why as the day will most likley come when one of those stones comes hurling right back at em.....

[amckillip]

Didn't Kevin Clancy transfer/get booted due to beating up/hitting his girlfriend.....didn't Ruffin get into some serious hot water with a women.....didn't POB and another get suspended for improper benefits.....didn't Taylor Brown seek out and punch a guy at his place of work.....hasn't he been suspended 3 times for various infractions...didn't a couple BU players get busted for illegal consumption....?

Quick, twist minor incidents to sound as bad as possible...

I will have to claim ignorance on the Clancy incidents as that is before my time closely following BU. But DRuff (who by the way, I do disdain) did not really do anything wrong, let alone commit a crime; POB (and WF, I believe) did inadvertently receive and extra paycheck from a company they were legally employed by; To say TB sought out a person at his place of work is a frigging joke. That 'place of work' is central to campus and TB spent an upwards of 25 hours a week practicing there, and by all means, I would have punch the dude too knowing the details of the incident. And yes, two players did blow below .08's but because they were under 21 they got tickets. Underage drinking? I'm sure you don't know anyone/didn't partake in that?

Dogs, trying to portray these incidents as anywhere near bad is preposterous. Plain and simple, BU runs one of the cleanest and strictest programs around. Want JL fired for not winning a championship, say the sweet 16 was a fluke, and say we should have hired someone else, but don't try to make it sound like he doesn't have good control of his players. I know you're trying to be the voice of moderateness here, and I normally applaud that, and I don't think tornado's shot at Booker's twitter was necessary, but it frustrates me when people try to act like BU isn't arguably the cleanest program in the MVC (that's competitive).

I do agree with your point that we shouldn't throw stones, I don't think it it's a good idea, but I do guarantee that if we were to never have said a bad thing about ILSU, SIU, Wichita, etc. that those boards and Valley talk would be all over us.

[Braves4Life]

Well said amckillip.

[Chico]

Quick, twist minor incidents to sound as bad as possible...

I will have to claim ignorance on the Clancy incidents as that is before my time closely following BU. But DRuff (who by the way, I do disdain) did not really do anything wrong, let alone commit a crime; POB (and WF, I believe) did inadvertently receive and extra paycheck from a company they were legally employed by; To say TB sought out a person at his place of work is a frigging joke. That 'place of work' is central to campus and TB spent an upwards of 25 hours a week practicing there, and by all means, I would have punch the dude too knowing the details of the incident. And yes, two players did blow below .08's but because they were under 21 they got tickets. Underage drinking? I'm sure you don't know anyone/didn't partake in that?

Dogs, trying to portray these incidents as anywhere near bad is preposterous. Plain and simple, BU runs one of the cleanest and strictest programs around. Want JL fired for not winning a championship, say the sweet 16 was a fluke, and say we should have hired someone else, but don't try to make it sound like he doesn't have good control of his players. I know you're trying to be the voice of moderateness here, and I normally applaud that, and I don't think tornado's shot at Booker's twitter was necessary, but it frustrates me when people try to act like BU isn't arguably the cleanest program in the MVC (that's competitive).

I do agree with your point that we shouldn't throw stones, I don't think it it's a good idea, but I do guarantee that if we were to never have said a bad thing about ILSU, SIU, Wichita, etc. that those boards and Valley talk would be all over us.

I didn't know about the Clancy deal either, but Dogs must know something or he wouldn't have posted it, just lke you know what happened in the TB punching incident. From what I know the other person had just as much right to be where he was as TB did. He's on a bb scholarship and has to be above that foolishness. As for others drinking underage, it doesn't mean players on scholarships should think they have the right to. When our players screw up, admit it. Bradley and coach Les does a good job dishing out punishment but the players have to take some responsibility also.

[scout4126]

Hmmm...Booker was unable to score in the post against Valley bigs, so he thinks somehow things will get easier in the Big 12?? And he blames "style of play"?

I have seen him play no fewer than 10 times and I don't think I have ever seen him score on anything more than a putback. He defense footwork leaves something to be desired as well. Yet another example of someone aiming way too high.

Iowa State is badly in need of bigs, but I can't imagine Booker being any more than a 10mpg backup.

Booker definitely has the talent, athleticism, and natural ability. Sometime schools just don't fit players and when they find something their style they can flourish, even at a higher level.

AB chose SIU because he was told they would push the ball and be more uptempo, the same reason Justin Bocot and Kevin Dillard went there. However, it didn't happen with Lowery.

I think Booker has the potential to be a very good player at Iowa State if they do in fact play uptempo basketball. However I think it depends on how much he works in his redshirt year to learn the system and mesh with the players on the court. It could make things a lot easier for him. If he is not mature enough though it could hurt him and he could see himself being seldom used.

It depends on how hard he wants to work but the tools are there for him to be a very solid player in the Big XII regardless of his numbers as a Saluki.

[tornado]

I didn't know about the Clancy deal..

you'd have to be a really old dude like dogs....since Clancy left Bradley more than a decade ago after a spat with his girlfriend turned into a DRuff type issue where nobody will ever know the truth...but there may have been no crime at all....

[Out of Balance]

Didn't Kevin Clancy transfer/get booted due to beating up/hitting his girlfriend.....didn't Ruffin get into some serious hot water with a women.....didn't POB and another get suspended for improper benefits.....didn't Taylor Brown seek out and punch a guy at his place of work.....hasn't he been suspended 3 times for various infractions...didn't a couple BU players get busted for illegal consumption....?


WHile we can argue the severity of various offenses at various schools BU is not immune to players behaving badly much like most any other campus in the United States.

Its a disturbing trend and I hope it stops everywhere. I applaud BU for the discipline they are usually quick to set forth I would love to see the day when they don't have to even hand out anty punishments at all.....

THIS year would be a good start.

I understand some like to toss stones from their glass house but I often wonder why as the day will most likley come when one of those stones comes hurling right back at em.....

Yep, dogs. thats how some see it and spin it Its like when someone passes gas and points to someone else They Did IT Does not make it go away or smell any better!!!

[dogsrus]

Bottom line is these things DID happen AND there were punishments handed out. So again...we can spin em until the cows come home but the proof is in the pudding/punishment.

Also, I CLEARLY stated you can argue the severity but the bottom line is BU kids do the wrong thing from time to time....just like I did so, at least this is what I practice, I prefer NOT to cast stones.

If others want to do that...go for it.

I'm not ripping on BU...I'm simply pointing out problems aren't limited to ISU and SIU. Its the college landscape and it should concern all of us. I get almost as bothered when a kid does wrong at SIU as I do when its BU....I'm looking at the bigger picture (societal) and not trying to stick out my toungue and say SIU = Bad while BU = good.

[Chico]

you'd have to be a really old dude like dogs....since Clancy left Bradley more than a decade ago after a spat with his girlfriend turned into a DRuff type issue where nobody will ever know the truth...but there may have been no crime at all....

Dogs is just a kid. Clancy wasn't a star like DR and don't forget he played before Jim Les arrived as coach and the Urnal Star didn't nit pick the Bradley basketball program as much until then.

[Future Walk-On]

Dogs is just a kid. Clancy wasn't a star like DR and don't forget he played before Jim Les arrived as coach and the Urnal Star didn't nit pick the Bradley basketball program as much until then.

I am not too old....but I remember when I was young I knew Clancy transferred to ISU and everyone booed him at the ISU game in Peoria haha. same guy?

[tornado]

...not trying to stick out my toungue and say SIU = Bad while BU = good.

but I believe SIU's failure to discipline or penalize their transgressions and allowance of the behavior blew up in their faces...
Now they have their coaches getting arrested for DUI....not a good formula for controlling the kids...

[dogsrus]

but I believe SIU's failure to discipline or penalize their transgressions and allowance of the behavior blew up in their faces...
Now they have their coaches getting arrested for DUI....not a good formula for controlling the kids...

So I ask....the point of bringing this up is for what purpose?

[dogsrus]

I am not too old....but I remember when I was young I knew Clancy transferred to ISU and everyone booed him at the ISU game in Peoria haha. same guy?

Thought he went to UIC.....?