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  • A comment from Doug Elgin and other words on all this realignment stuff...

    Per premium Rivals piece.......some excerpts.......

    "MVC Commissioner Doug Elgin was asked what would happen to the Mountain West - Missouri Valley challenge if the MWC changed its membership?

    "We will continue to win it" was the response.

    Yet, the Missouri Valley Conference has always been a shape shifting and transformational body. On January 12, 1907, the MVC was formed inside the Midland Hotel in Kansas City. Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Drake, Ames Teaching College (now Iowa State) and Washington University sent representatives to hammer out an agreement as the original seven members of the conference.
    Over 100 years later, the name is the same but only Drake remains a member.

    Earlier this month, again in Kansas City, a meeting was held inside a different hotel to discuss the future of the Big 12. A nasty fight broke out amongst its members during those meetings leading to Colorado and Nebraska bolting for new homes.

    The Mountain West Conference has already added Boise State this week and is positioned to add more if given the chance. While some think that the MWC will take as many six more schools in an attempt to become a BCS league, it's more than likely that they will stop at 12.

    .... what happens to the BCS leagues will affect the non-BCS, as the money made per season, per school will continue to widen the gap between the haves and the have-nots in the college sports.
    ..the Valley must be proactive as soon as it's appropriate.

    ...men's basketball is what the Valley hangs its hat on. Sure, there are Olympic sports that are very successful around the Valley but fans do not come out to watch those contests in large numbers.

    ...If I'm Doug Elgin, if the Big 12 falls apart and the Big East, SEC, ACC, MWC, and others look to start a game of musical chairs, I start handing out invitations ASAP.

    This is just an idea but how about a 16-team basketball league?
    We know St. Louis is miserable in the Atlantic 10 and could easily be added but Dayton and Xavier do not like the travel to the East that is required in their current league and should be targeted too.
    Then, I would look at a program like Butler out of the Horizon League that is not being tested often enough in conference play.
    ..Finally... DePaul and Marquette."


  • #2
    Not a bad set of schools. Could align like this for ease of travel:
    EAST (NORTH OR NORTHEAST)
    Bradley
    Butler
    Dayton
    DePaul
    Illinois St
    Indiana St
    Marquette
    Xavier

    WEST (SOUTH SOUTHWEST)
    Creighton
    Drake
    Evansville
    Missouri St
    Northern Iowa
    St Louis
    Southern Illinois
    Wichita St

    That's make for a nice conference good for maybe 5-6 bids in a year and maybe interesting enough to get a tv deal to get some (40%?) of your games on Nat TV OR work with someone to put together a dedicated regional network (Comcast does hate the BTN). In the megaconference environment this may be a best result.
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    • #3
      I just believe when the split happens it will be one that will be more exclusive then inclusive.
      "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
      ??” Thomas Jefferson
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      • #4
        I think the divisions previously stated would create a great Eastern Division and a Poor Western division. The gap in the quality would be immense.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by thefish7 View Post
          Not a bad set of schools. Could align like this for ease of travel:
          EAST (NORTH OR NORTHEAST)
          Bradley
          Butler
          Dayton
          DePaul
          Illinois St
          Indiana St
          Marquette
          Xavier

          WEST (SOUTH SOUTHWEST)
          Creighton
          Drake
          Evansville
          Missouri St
          Northern Iowa
          St Louis
          Southern Illinois
          Wichita St

          That's make for a nice conference good for maybe 5-6 bids in a year and maybe interesting enough to get a tv deal to get some (40%?) of your games on Nat TV OR work with someone to put together a dedicated regional network (Comcast does hate the BTN). In the megaconference environment this may be a best result.
          Until football shakes it self out the above will not happen.

          UNI, SIU, Missouri State, the two ISU's play football and Creighton and Wichita are going to be in demand and very attractive.

          As this trickles down even conferences like the Sunbelt and CUSA are going to be affected. The Valley wont do anything until it knows what way the football playing schools are going.

          Personally I think it is very likely that

          Bradley, Drake, Evansville get to play together with the likes of UIC, UW Milwaukee, Valpo, maybe SLU before BU gets involved with Butler, Xavier or Marquette. But who knows things are changing constantly.

          But regardless Football will dictate everything with the Valley. I would watch very closely what the Sunbelt does and if any of the Valley schools have any aspirations of bigger football operatiions... IE UNI or Missouri State.

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          • #6
            Also hasan issue with scheduling. You don't really want more than 18 conference games so that east west split would give you 14 games against division (home/road) and only 4 games against the other division. I wonder if you couldn't do it like this:
            NORTH
            Bradley
            DePaul
            Illinois St
            Marquette

            EAST
            Butler
            Dayton
            Indiana St
            Xavier

            SOUTH
            Evansville
            Missouri St
            St Louis
            Southern Ill

            WEST
            Creighton
            Drake
            Northern Iowa
            Wichita St

            Then you could play 6 games against your divisional foes and 12 against everyone else (thereby getting a game against each opponent).
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            • #7
              I can see a great 8 team mid-west league within a 16 team conference with the other teams coming from the east coast. You play your league twice and the other league once. You then have a league tournament with the winners playing for conference championship.

              Mid-west League
              Bradley
              Butler
              Creighton
              De Paul
              Dayton
              Marquette
              SLU
              Xavier

              East Coast League
              Georgetown
              Villanova
              St. John's
              Davidson
              UMass
              Temple
              Drexel
              Richmond

              Now this would be a league that could demand some TV revenue with fan interest. The BCS boys will not be able to put as much pressure on the TV companies for basketball like football.
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              ??” Thomas Jefferson
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              • #8
                Personally, I'm ready to break off from the Northern Iowa's of the world. Elgin is responsible for trying to keep the MVC together and not what's best for a subset of the schools. he would never comment on what he thought was best for a Creighton or Bradley as an individual institution.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dallas Brave View Post
                  Personally, I'm ready to break off from the Northern Iowa's ....
                  well UNI earned a good pile of $$ that we shared in since that's how the Valley works...

                  UNI likewise shares in the benefit of having a couple bigger market teams in the conference like Peoria, Omaha, etc...thus giving the TV network more revenue...
                  and BU fans halp make the MVC Tournament more successful,,that UNI shares some of the benefits from...
                  so right now, I kinda think we all need each other and we'd better stick together and even try to fortify the Valley by luring Butler, SLU, or maybe Iowa State!

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