How much money does each D-I program make?

[tornado]

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/companies/basketball_profits/index.htm

CNN did a study of how much money was made by the basketball programs of the D-I schools and a couple others.....
They do not give a very clear explanation how they got their figures, and I have to think those figures are hard to compare to each other since different schools likely keep their tabulations differently, and State schools have (as we have shown plainly many times) sources of income from taxpayer revenues.....while private schools do not.

The numbers show the program's earnings (income), expenses, and profit..
the income may come from many sources - not necessarily all generated by the program - some is from taxpayer sources!

here are all the Valley schools and others nearby and a few others...

..School...........earnings.....expenses...profit. .margin
Bradley University 2,994,774 2,970,067 24,707 0.8%
Chipola College 377,032 377,032 - 0.0%
Creighton University 4,825,617 4,036,610 789,007 16.4%
DePaul University 3,257,409 3,257,409 - 0.0%
Drake University 2,044,433 2,126,455 (82,022) -4.0%
Duke University 11,842,009 13,873,859 (2,031,850) -17.2% (biggest loss of all schools!)
Eastern Illinois University 620,665 813,194 (192,529) -31.0%
Florida Gulf Coast University 579,497 622,387 (42,890) -7.4%
Illinois State University 1,525,638 1,718,793 (193,155) -12.7%
Indiana State University 713,678 1,248,174 (534,496) -74.9%
Indiana University-Bloomington 15,173,264 6,946,942 8,226,322 54.2%
Missouri State University 3,745,378 1,837,352 1,908,026 50.9%
Northern Illinois University 483,475 1,518,259 (1,034,784) -214.0%
Northwestern University 9,328,062 3,720,715 5,607,347 60.1%
Purdue University-Main Campus 7,488,464 4,701,270 2,787,194 37.2%
Saint Louis University-Main Campus 3,105,150 3,105,150 - 0.0%
Southeast Missouri State University 1,339,430 970,508 368,922 27.5%
Southern Illinois University Carbondale 1,805,378 2,230,041 (424,663) -23.5%
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville 915,346 694,587 220,759 24.1%
University of California-Davis 482,351 730,075 (247,724) -51.4%
University of Connecticut 8,379,899 6,796,942 1,582,957 18.9%
University of Evansville 1,978,179 1,978,179 - 0.0%
University of Illinois at Chicago 1,303,094 1,420,977 (117,883) -9.0%
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 14,507,336 4,772,399 9,734,937 67.1%
University of Iowa 9,423,886 4,443,481 4,980,405 52.8%
University of Kansas 15,737,145 8,219,362 7,517,783 47.8%
University of Kentucky 14,773,034 8,615,726 6,157,308 41.7%
University of Northern Iowa 1,901,814 1,511,228 390,586 20.5%
Western Illinois University 904,384 904,384 - 0.0%
Wichita State University 4,139,169 3,187,098 952,071 23.0%

Bradley generated the 4th most of all Valley schools, and ISU & SIU had the two biggest LOSSES of any Valley school and ISU has the 2nd WORST income generated!
BU generated almost as much revenue as DePaul...and I am also puzzled with Missouri State's figures....it may reflect a large endowment...

[Da Coach]

Does this include money from scalping tickets?

[Future Walk-On]

Yeah these numbers are sporadic.

I don't get out ISU red makes so little.

I don't get how MSU makes twice what they spend (like you said)

Look at UIUC....wow

[amckillip]

Yeah these numbers are sporadic.

I don't get out ISU red makes so little.

Have you been to a non-bu game? Thats how they make so little...

[Future Walk-On]

Have you been to a non-bu game? Thats how they make so little...

No.......but that is sad. And we complain....

[Future Walk-On]

That could prove that an on campus arena might not be an instant success.

[SFP]

I suspect that MSU's earnings come from their new arena and corporate suites. That is one aspect that is missing from Carver. I'm sure BU could make a ton more also if Carver was configured with luxury suites.

We also need to add the amount of money that the basketball team brings to the overall endowment. Donations spiked considerably after the Sweet 16 run.

[amckillip]

I suspect that MSU's earnings come from their new arena and corporate suites. That is one aspect that is missing from Carver. I'm sure BU could make a ton more also if Carver was configured with luxury suites.

We also need to add the amount of money that the basketball team brings to the overall endowment. Donations spiked considerably after the Sweet 16 run.

We have 4, but I get your point.

[PTTB]

tornado-

Maybe I just totally missed it in the article, but what year is that from? I read and re-read the article, but that year didn't pop out at me.

Also, what's interesting is that UNI spends the 2nd fewest dollars on basketball in the MVC. That will change slightly with Jake's new salary hike (well, I think it will, as the raise $$$ will be from private funds...so I would assume that would be attached in those #'s). They have long been known for trying to keep their non-conference as regional as possible (note next year's road games: UW-Milwaukee, Northern Illinois, Iowa (all drivable), and TCU and the Vegas Tourney are easy commercial flights (to Dallas/FW and Vegas). Bracket Buster games do effect this aspect They drive to Omaha, Des Moines, Normal, and Peoria, while those save money so they can charter flight to Wichita, Springfield, Carbondale, and Evansville (they also have sometimes flown to Terre Haute, and sometimes driven). With recruiting primarily within a 6 hour radius, they don't have to worry too much with expensive recruiting budgets...so I guess this is how they have kept their costs down. I guess I'm still surprised that they hang in the bottom two in $$$ spent.

[PTTB]

After re-reading it again, it looks like it says, "last year". The article was from March, so I have to assume that was the 2008-09 season?

[TNMSUFAN]

I don't get how MSU makes twice what they spend (like you said)

Our ticket prices are probably the highest in the league as we have seat assessments from $400 to $5000 per seat. Also, we have 22 suites and 100 loge seats that are more...suites are around $15,000-$30,000 per year and there is a waiting list for those.

[Future Walk-On]

Our ticket prices are probably the highest in the league as we have seat assessments from $400 to $5000 per seat. Also, we have 22 suites and 100 loge seats that are more...suites are around $15,000-$30,000 per year and there is a waiting list for those.

well that sounds great. seems to be tons of interest.

[tornado]

tornado-

Maybe I just totally missed it in the article, but what year is that from? I read and re-read the article, but that year didn't pop out at me.

Also, what's interesting is that UNI spends the 2nd fewest dollars on basketball in the MVC. That will change slightly with Jake's new salary hike (well, I think it will, as the raise $$$ will be from private funds...so I would assume that would be attached in those #'s). They have long been known for trying to keep their non-conference as regional as possible (note next year's road games: UW-Milwaukee, Northern Illinois, Iowa (all drivable), and TCU and the Vegas Tourney are easy commercial flights (to Dallas/FW and Vegas). Bracket Buster games do effect this aspect They drive to Omaha, Des Moines, Normal, and Peoria, while those save money so they can charter flight to Wichita, Springfield, Carbondale, and Evansville (they also have sometimes flown to Terre Haute, and sometimes driven). With recruiting primarily within a 6 hour radius, they don't have to worry too much with expensive recruiting budgets...so I guess this is how they have kept their costs down. I guess I'm still surprised that they hang in the bottom two in $$$ spent.

PTTB - I am certainly not vouching for the info - and can't really say where they got their data and what years it represents...

but I do have doubt about the accuracy - for several reasons...(and note the comment in the article's 3rd paragraph about how schools do their accounting and budgeting differently)

--first, many schools are not likely to give you that data, especially private schools..so I have to believe much of it is estimated or guessed

--then there's the fact that we know schools do things differently and their accounting techniques are vastly different - with some placing the coach's salary fully on the athletic budget, but as we have seen in other articles, some schools pay their coaches out of funds that are partly privately obtained - and I think UNI is one of those schools, right?

--and check out Duke -- there's no way they can have a budget and costs that are so far out of proportion to all the other similar schools...
their expenses of almost $14 million are not only the highest for any ACC school - they are the highest for all schools by MILLIONS!!
Surely this is a degree of "creative accounting" and shifting expenses to different columns for some purpose - likely taxes...

--Last - a school like SIUE is a recent "start-up" D-I program...and surely the expenses must be significant..yet they report a total expense tabulation of just $694K -- one of the smallest in D-I and only 5% of Duke's...so again I hvave to think someone's doing the numbers crunching for a purpose.

[cougarcrazy82]

New Member

I am new on here and actually a loyal SIUE follower and first I want to say you guys are very disrespectful to SIUE. There was once a time that Bradley was struggling to make it into Division I sports so STOP IT (plus it is not like Bradley is on top of the world in basketball either). Second, the expenditures are actually quite accurate for SIUE sports. There start up fees and such were actually paid out earlier in the process (I think around 2007 or so). Their recruiting budget is minisicule but there focus is really around a 200 or so mile radius around campus (i.e. St Louis metro area). They have had some success in Texas but that is from long term relationships by Lennox Forrestor and has not taken considerable resources. They have also not had to pay out any guarentees (or if they did it was very very little). SIUE will eventually overtake Bradley in a few years then you guys will finally stop dissing them. And please don't say that fans have not been dissing them on here because I see it all the time. IT takes time to start a program and I applaud programs willing to schedule them even though as you say "It doesn't help their RPI" So what? One game is not going to hurt anything!

[tornado]

I think you are a bit out of line, coug -- I am on here every single day and have NOT seen any such disrespect..and there's NOTHING disrespectful about SIUE at all in this thread...
one of our favorite guys is your coach and several players familiar to BU fans have played or are playing there, like Zeke...

you are free to take on a certain topic, but to come on here and slam BU and all its fans for some perceived unfairness..then I think you must have pretty thin skin....remember, it is a Bradley board...