2010-2011 Schedule

[AZ BU Fan]

Wonder if this is gonna affect the return game vs. Drexel...

"Two members of Drexel University's men's basketball team ..
Jamie Harris and Kevin Phillip, stormed into a female Drexel student's
apartment on Wednesday night brandishing guns, expecting to score a big
stash of cash, police said. Their getaway was caught on tape."

...so how this case is handled.....

One can only hope the case results in:
1. Long prison sentances for both Jamie and Kevin for their armed robbery. They can then both go play in Turkey with OE when they get out on parole.

2. A University and NCAA investigation into MBB recruiting and admission practices of Drexel.

[Da Coach]

I am sure the columnists in Philly are writing their columns now about Drexel being labeled a "renegade" program.


BTW- Harris was their leading scorer last season (14.5 ppg) and started every game at point guard. He had an off-game at Bradley. He played 36 minutes and was 3-14 from the floor for 10 points. Phillip was a reserve who played in 31 of their 32 games and averaged 2.9 ppg. He played 10 minutes against Bradley and had 2 points.

[ned]

I am sure the columnists in Philly are writing their columns now about Drexel being labeled a "renegade" program.


BTW- Harris was their leading scorer last season (14.5 ppg) and started every game at point guard. He had an off-game at Bradley. He played 36 minutes and was 3-14 from the floor for 10 points. Phillip was a reserve who played in 31 of their 32 games and averaged 2.9 ppg. He played 10 minutes against Bradley and had 2 points.

I doubt the columnists in Philly care much about Drexel basketball. Its about team #65 on the list of teams people care about in Philly.

Where people care the most, the most gets written (good and bad). Not a real hard concept to grasp.

[Da Coach]

That is simply ridiculous and not true at all. But it might be an understandable excuse made by someone who prefers to see Bradley cast in any negative light possible.

Some of the programs where people "care" the most- Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana, Memphis, and many more, we've seen examples of far worse behavior by athletes than anything that has happened at Bradley in my lifetime.
And yet, if the local columnists write anything about those programs, it is usually to heap praise on them, defend them, and usually ignore the bad news totally. In fact, most schools have athletes who commit crimes, and are guilty of bad behavior, but it usually goes unreported, so most people never even hear about it.

My point is that there seem to be some people who hold Bradley to a different standard, and rush to condemn BU for even minor issues (infinitely less serious than these being reported) like the ones that have drawn the accusations of "renegade", and the silliness last year over Taylor Brown's immature tweets that some people actually tried to make the case were some kind of criminal sexual harassment.

[tornado]

... minor issues...

amen....childish pranks, inane twitter chatter, and commonplace scuffles get played into front page crime and renegade programs..

just down the road we see DUI's, alcohol violations, rapes, felonies, and far more serious issues that never even make the paper let alone the front page...

[real fan]

We do hold student athletes to a higher standard at Bradley and therefore they turn out to be better students and better persons in the long run; of course they are going to make mistakes but hopefully not ones that will get them kicked off the team and booted from the University, we know and they should know that when they leave here they will be better prepared for the real world then all the athletes that have played at the Memphis"s , Louisville"s and other basketball factories that do not see that these players get any degrees or care what happens to them when they leave their campuses.

[ned]

That is simply ridiculous and not true at all. But it might be an understandable excuse made by someone who prefers to see Bradley cast in any negative light possible.

Some of the programs where people "care" the most- Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana, Memphis, and many more, we've seen examples of far worse behavior by athletes than anything that has happened at Bradley in my lifetime.
And yet, if the local columnists write anything about those programs, it is usually to heap praise on them, defend them, and usually ignore the bad news totally. In fact, most schools have athletes who commit crimes, and are guilty of bad behavior, but it usually goes unreported, so most people never even hear about it.

My point is that there seem to be some people who hold Bradley to a different standard, and rush to condemn BU for even minor issues (infinitely less serious than these being reported) like the ones that have drawn the accusations of "renegade", and the silliness last year over Taylor Brown's immature tweets that some people actually tried to make the case were some kind of criminal sexual harassment.

What "people" hold Bradley to a different standard and who condemn BU for minor issues? Who exactly are you talking about here?

You are saying that when "negative" things go on at Kentucky, Memphis, or any other school in the country where people care a lot the local media there doesn't write anything about it? Or are you talking about the Peoria media writing about it? Im confused.

I never want to see Bradley shed in a negative light. However I understand that if you WANT to be a bigtime program with a lot of media attention, beat writers, TV stations covering you, and 10,000 fans a night that you have to understand that you have to be willing to read the good and the bad.

The local media SHOULD cover something that is newsworthy. To act like they shouldn't is very fourth grade. This isn't grade school soccer. I like to think Bradley basketball as the bigtime with bigtime standards. With that come high expectations and media scrutiny. I WANT it that way.

Do others want the program to be the "Little Engine that Could" that the only coverage is slanted stuff written by the university PR department? Teams that do that aren't relevant.

Its pretty easy---do good things, good things get written. Do bad things from time to time, things questioning that get written from time. Why is this so hard to understand?

You see it at every single program that considers themselves bigtime and is lucky enough to have a lot of media attention. I like that people hold Bradley accountable. It means they care. I don't care what the Pantagraph writes about ISU. I don't care about what the Southern Illinoisian writes about SIU. I care about Bradley and love that the local media care enough to follow the program so closely.

I still think many fans don't understand the role of the media and how lucky Bradley is to have the local media follow it so closely. There are many BCS programs who would kill for the type of coverage Bradley gets. I know this for a fact. Much of that is due to the great fan interest. That's awesome. I love that. But, as I mentioned, I don't expect everything to be candy coated either.

[BUFanatic]

Much as I disagree with Coach Les' coaching style, stuborness, and failure to teach players how to do anything but drive, drive, drive; I LOVE the way he handles the team outside the Arena. He makes sure that if a player does something wrong or if a player is doing poorly in school, that player will sit weather it was Crouch or Singh (lolz, Singh joke! Btw, b4 I get attacks, it was an example, nothing more, I just like to pick on Sam! haha). Point is, Les does a very good job "keeping his players in line", so therefore, whenever something minor happens, it is given all that media attention because it is the equivilant of the shock that violent and serious crimes (some at BU were serious *Danny Ruffin Mystery*), at other big-name universities where the fans only care about championships (Tennessee, 'Bama, FSU, all that jazz). (I also think it has something to do w/ Private vs. Public. Just look at how ISU fans compose themselves (3 years ago, if you were there, DEPLORABLE! Chanting profanities, it was ridiculous. First away game of my life and first ISU-BU game. That game made me not want to go to ISU b/c I did not like the way the students behaved). You just wouldn't see that at a Butler or Bradley or Valpo.

[Da Coach]

Thank you BUfanatic- I agree with you, and most BU fans do.

ned- you are deluded. Not a surprise for what we see from BU-detractors.
Please show us one example of a local columnist in Los Angeles condemning USC the way Greg Doyel, and many other national columnists have. And show us the examples of local columnists in Memphis, Syracuse, Lexington, Knoxville, Philadelphia, and hundreds of other cities that have taken their schools to task for their athletes that get arrested. It almost never happens.
Not the way Peoria's print media seems to jump on any negative news and make way more of it than it deserves in an attemp to denigrate Bradley.

Maybe you don't remember the Peoria Journal Star including mentions of Daniel Ruffin's legal issues in articles about him more than a year later, when they posted articles about his pro career. It was inexcusable that they felt the need to keep bringing up that issue, long after the courts had forgotten it. I won't even go into the massive exaggeration of what actually happened in the case, with media mentions of "kicking" and "ligature marks", which were untrue, but which were never retracted.
And there was the minor speeding ticket case by a couple BU players who got tickets for "zero tolerance", that was treated like a serial killing spree. That issue, extremely minor by comparison with all these criminal issues we see get covered up at other schools, including other MVC schools in the state of Illinois, apparently merited hysterical and irrational editorial ranting by the PJS, even though the coach disciplined the players appropriately according to the school's policies at that time.
And who can forget the front page (section A), massive article about a minor skirmish involving Taylor Brown. Even our over-aggressive state's attorney who tried to take political advantage of the Ruffin incident, ignored this case entirely. And now a year later, what happened to it? Apparently it's been dropped? So why the need for the paper to try to make it into some kind of capital crime?
And then we have the twitter-gate issue. An immature college kid posting messages on a twitter page. Oh my! TB must have been the first kid to ever do such a thing! How silly and naive by those who tried to make anything of that. Yet they did. We saw BU-haters on another message board actually make claims that it was some kind of criminal sexual abuse issue. And the Peoria Journal Star, which never misses an opportunity to try to paint Bradley in any negative light, jumped on the story as if it was major news. I wonder why they haven't been covering the twitter thoughts of thousands of other BU students, or ICC students for that matter? Has anyone even bothered to read the embarrassing, vulgar twitter posts of other players, like Osiris and P'Allen? I can find innumerable twitter posts by current and former players at other schools that were far worse than anything TB has ever said. But only in Peoria does that become fodder for newspaper articles.

Believe what you want. But if you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend that minor issues at BU don't get amplified and blown way out of proportion by the local media, and other sites that cater to BU-bashing, than you need to go back to your other board and continue your BU-bashing over there.
Or maybe you can prove me wrong by finding a comparable column in the Pantagraph condemning the ISU coach and staff for the sexual abuse crimes committed by a member of the ISU team. Or any column comparable to the "renegade" column, or the PJS column demanding more punishment for a minor trafic ticket. And if anyone can ever find an example at any school where a newspaper dug out twitter posts to try to make a major issue about, please let us know. I have never heard of it happening anywhere but Peoria.

[Air Petey]

Da Coach = Nice response and VERY accurate!!

An ISU player last year gets escorted in to a hotel lobby (at 4am) by two policeman and they hand the player over to a coach and he starts the next day!

Nothing reported at all!!

[Da Coach]

Da Coach = Nice response and VERY accurate!!

An ISU player last year gets escorted in to a hotel lobby (at 4am) by two policeman and they hand the player over to a coach and he starts the next day!

Nothing reported at all!!

May I add that this occurred in St. Louis at the MVC Tournament, was witnessed by several BU fans, and include the player escorted by police in handcuffs! But since he was a star player, it was completely covered up and went undisciplined!
Maybe it had something to do with that player's 7-27 shooting performance overall at the tournament.

[tornado]

..Has anyone even bothered to read the embarrassing, vulgar twitter posts of other players, like Osiris and P'Allen? ...

for those who do not recall, a certain ISU player who got looks from the NBA actually posted a video on his twitter of some dude sleeping in class and some girl's posterior

[TheAsianSensation]

So....how about that schedule?

[chitown fanatic]

Good Point TAS, but for once, I agree with DaCoach and Tornado. The peoria media scrutiny of extremely minor incidents is well documented. TB is no saint, but he's not a felon...there is no comparison between BU and major schools when it comes to coverage of scandalous activities......majors will always get a pass. as for discipline, like another poster said, I like that we hold our students to a higher standard....I just wish that when incidents occur, we treat them for what they are and not overreact with punishments that don't fit the offense.

[KillerB]

a little light reading

I don't know how this compares to the PJS coverages of BU.. but I think the LA Times has given a fair amount of coverage to the USC sanctions.. called for change etc.

Again I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with anyone on the PJS coverage of the Braves.. but I think to say no other city's media comes down on the team is too big of a blanket statement.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lat-usc-sanctions-sg,0,6273203.storygallery