Iowa State hires Fred Hoiberg as coach

[amckillip]

I don't want to use the 'Forrest Gump' bit...but are you ----- or something? What does POY have to do with anything coaching-wise? A few weeks coaching girls? Do you feel good chatting with your friends saying that's your coach's credentials? Yes...I will ignore playing experience and girls basketball watching experience. Your points get weaker by the post. I like JL because he was a great player, but enough with his 'credentials'....you are doing your diploma a disservice by defending them...

Haha, and personal attacks make your argument so much stronger... grow up man. What's gettin old are your monotonous, unthinking posts. About 40 of your 43 posting are bashing JL. Some of us are capable of discussing other things related to BU hoops, obviously you're not one of them.

FWIW, I'll take what I'm doing with my diploma one year out of college over about 99% of college grads, and about 99.9% of BU grads, pretty much any way you slice it, grad school opportunities, work-life balance, salary, etc. Thanks though!

[Jack Bauer]

Haha, and personal attacks make your argument so much stronger... grow up man. What's gettin old are your monotonous, unthinking posts. About 40 of your 43 posting are bashing JL. Some of us are capable of discussing other things related to BU hoops, obviously you're not one of them.

FWIW, I'll take what I'm doing with my diploma one year out of college over about 99% of college grads, and about 99.9% of BU grads, pretty much any way you slice it, grad school opportunities, work-life balance, salary, etc. Thanks though!

Didn't go personal, just thought you could do better. My BU fandom goes past the Sam Maniscalco HS years and JL's coaching tenure. I won't apologize for being used to real sustained success and not flashes in the pan followed by mediocrity. It doesn't matter who the leader of the program is, if they don't meet the standards of Bradley's 100+ years of success, then they'll be the focal point of discussion. What is wrong with me holding us to our standard of success over the past several decades? Why do you sell us short?

[amckillip]

Didn't go personal, just thought you could do better. My BU fandom goes past the Sam Maniscalco HS years and JL's coaching tenure. I won't apologize for being used to real sustained success and not flashes in the pan followed by mediocrity. It doesn't matter who the leader of the program is, if they don't meet the standards of Bradley's 100+ years of success, then they'll be the focal point of discussion. What is wrong with me holding us to our standard of success over the past several decades? Why do you sell us short?

Yeah, before Maniscalco years HS were great, so many coaches in recent BU history have done tons better than JL, Versace had a some good seasons for sure, but before JL it had 51 years since we last reached the Sweet Sixteen. But yeah, sustained success, you saw it all... We were a national powerhouse just before JL got here, it was crazy we needed to find a new coach with all the success we were having.

[Jack Bauer]

Yeah, before Maniscalco years HS were great, so many coaches in recent BU history have done tons better than JL, Versace had a some good seasons for sure, but before JL it had 51 years since we last reached the Sweet Sixteen. But yeah, sustained success, you saw it all... We were a national powerhouse just before JL got here, it was crazy we needed to find a new coach with all the success we were having.

Since Versace, we won the MVC regular season twice, MVC tourney once, and finished in the top 3 several times. When have we done any of those in the last 8 years? Again...facts...live on the the two fluke wins all you want, the proof is in the pudding. I want a fellow alum to succeed as much as anyone, but I would hope as a fellow alum you would want people to be held to the great standards of success BU has been accustomed to far beyond your recent time there...

[amckillip]

Since Versace, we won the MVC regular season twice, MVC tourney once, and finished in the top 3 several times. When have we done any of those in the last 8 years? Again...facts...live on the the two fluke wins all you want, the proof is in the pudding. I want a fellow alum to succeed as much as anyone, but I would hope as a fellow alum you would want people to be held to the great standards of success BU has been accustomed to far beyond your recent time there...

And went to the NCAA's once and lost. NOT EVERYONE ONLY COUNTS MVC CHAMPIONSHIPS. The wins are a fact, how are they not? That JL took us to the sweet sixteen when no one else had for 51 years is a fact, that BU was ranked in the top 25 for the first time in 15+ years is a fact. You can say it was a fluke, but I say that BU went almost undefeated with Versace was a fluke because we didn't play anyone, and thats easily justified by our performance in the NCAA's most everyone said.

It's clear you don't like JL, but don't say that I am not judging on facts because you don't like that I do. Your concept of 'facts' and 'pudding' is hilariously subjective.

[Jack Bauer]

And went to the NCAA's once and lost. NOT EVERYONE ONLY COUNTS MVC CHAMPIONSHIPS. The wins are a fact, how are they not? That JL took us to the sweet sixteen when no one else had for 51 years is a fact, that BU was ranked in the top 25 for the first time in 15+ years is a fact. You can say it was a fluke, but I say that BU went almost undefeated with Versace was a fluke because we didn't play anyone, and thats easily justified by our performance in the NCAA's most everyone said.

It's clear you don't like JL, but don't say that I am not judging on facts because you don't like that I do. Your concept of 'facts' and 'pudding' is hilariously subjective.

Ok. You are counting 2 wins on a neutral court over several seasons of sustained winning. Fine. In my world sustained winning against your peers holds more weight than two fluke wins on a neutral court. Find me the last BU coach who had a losing conference record after 8 seasons...keep in mind Jim Molinari and Dick Versace were bottom feeders their first year, and still ended up WELL OVER .500 against the MVC. As great as those two fluke wins were, the following 4 seasons showed that it was more of a fluke than a sing of 'turning the corner' or 'going to the next level'. The next level isn't 4th, 5th, 5th, 5th. The next level isn't NIT, CBI, CIT, couch. Is that your idea of success? If it is, I am glad you're happy. I am not.

I love JL the player. And I can buy him as the face of the program if he has competent help around him. He did for two out of 8 seasons. Those two years we were really good, 44-24 actually. The other 6 we sucked. I'm sorry that I am tired of sucking. It sounds like we want to win again. I hope we do.

[amckillip]

Jim Molinari and Dick Versace were bottom feeders their first year, and still ended up WELL OVER .500 against the MVC. As great as those two fluke wins were, the following 4 seasons showed that it was more of a fluke than a sing of 'turning the corner' or 'going to the next level'. The next level isn't 4th, 5th, 5th, 5th. The next level isn't NIT, CBI, CIT, couch. Is that your idea of success?

See, thats the argument everyone uses, but look at the strength of the MVC comparatively. While JL has been here the MVC has arguably been the top non-BCS conference, while during Mo and Versace's years you couldn't even come close to saying that. So yeah, Mo won once, but it was in a much different MVC, Stan certainly didn't rule the conference, and in Versaces day the conference would have struggled to call itself a high mid-major at times.

So yes, JL has not been Altman or some of the other successful MVC coaches, but he hasn't been been the dog many make him out to be. He was probably just as succesful if not moreso than Keno and he jumped to a BCS school, you don't have to like JL, no one does, but please stop acting like those of us who do don't have any reason to, even before you consider his disciplinary approach (which is top notch), or his graduation rate (also superb), because I value more in my diploma than winning above all else

[Jack Bauer]

See, thats the argument everyone uses, but look at the strength of the MVC comparatively. While JL has been here the MVC has arguably been the top non-BCS conference, while during Mo and Versace's years you couldn't even come close to saying that. So yeah, Mo won once, but it was in a much different MVC, Stan certainly didn't rule the conference, and in Versaces day the conference would have struggled to call itself a high mid-major at times.

So yes, JL has not been Altman or some of the other successful MVC coaches, but he hasn't been been the dog many make him out to be. He was probably just as succesful if not moreso than Keno and he jumped to a BCS school, you don't have to like JL, no one does, but please stop acting like those of us who do don't have any reason to, even before you consider his disciplinary approach (which is top notch), or his graduation rate (also superb), because I value more in my diploma than winning above all else

Ok...isn't it all relative? If the league is better, why aren't we? You more or less just said the league has passed us by and we should be happy being 4th with an alum as coach like we are now. Please explain to my how a 'better' MVC is an excuse for us not being where we've always been.

[Fetz86]

Can you two take it to PM's or something?

[amckillip]

Can you two take it to PM's or something?

Sorry for having a discussion on a discussion board. My bad. They should develop a type of website where people could go to do those type of things.

[Jack Bauer]

Can you two take it to PM's or something?

Nope! This is what the forum is for...honest, intelligent (loosely used) Bradley basketball discussion. Neither Andy nor myself have crossed the line; it's a virtual bar stool discussion!

[Future Walk-On]

Nope! This is what the forum is for...honest, intelligent (loosely used) Bradley basketball discussion. Neither Andy nor myself have crossed the line; it's a virtual bar stool discussion!

I really wanted to start a

"Amckillip vs. Jack Bauer" thread....but I didn't.

[SFP]

I really wanted to start a

"Amckillip vs. Jack Bauer" thread....but I didn't.

How about the under card Future Walk-on vs Elite Red Crazy?

[Future Walk-On]

How about the under card Future Walk-on vs Elite Red Crazy?

is my avatar to hostile?

[Fetz86]

no