Iowa State hires Fred Hoiberg as coach

[Jack Bauer]

Dude, the other option everyone wanted is still in the EXACT SAME JOB, If he was so good why did no one else snatch him up?

Brian Gregory? Yes, I would take him and his record since 2003 over what we currently have. He has been a candidate for several other jobs. How many has our guy been a candidate for?

[amckillip]

Brian Gregory? Yes, I would take him and his record since 2003 over what we currently have. He has been a candidate for several other jobs. How many has our guy been a candidate for?

Let's be clear, the option people here wanted to hire was Wayne McClain. Also While Brian Gregory has had some success, 2 NCAA appearances vs. JL's 1 though JL went further and 2 first place finishes to JL's 0. He plays in a worse conference (over the last 8 years). He also just finished 7th in conference and GREATLY underachieved with a team during the regular season. To assume he would have been a much better than JL is pretty unfounded.

I really don't think Hoiberg is that bad of a hire. Having NBA ties is never a bad thing, he is a known quantity to alum, and the guy knows basketball. It is funny that this somehow got turned into a JL bashing thread...

[Jack Bauer]

Let's be clear, the option people here wanted to hire was Wayne McClain. Also While Brian Gregory has had some success, 2 NCAA appearances vs. JL's 1 though JL went further and 2 first place finishes to JL's 0. He plays in a worse conference (over the last 8 years). He also just finished 7th in conference and GREATLY underachieved with a team during the regular season. To assume he would have been a much better than JL is pretty unfounded.

I wanted the best, most qualified candidate. That wasn't Wayne. I was never a Wayne guy. If you believed he was really a finalist that's not my problem; Bradley was never going to hire him.

Unfounded? Gregory's record speaks for itself. More wins, more conference wins, more time in the top 25, more NCAA's, more NIT's, more championships. Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good discussion here, but it's not even a close comparison.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/compare?add=jim-les&c1=brian-gregory

When Jim Les starts getting mentioned for and turning down BCS jobs let me know. I'm pretty sure Cross's phone hasn't been ringing asking for permission to interview.

[squirrelgotdead]

Let's be clear, the option people here wanted to hire was Wayne McClain. Also While Brian Gregory has had some success, 2 NCAA appearances vs. JL's 1 though JL went further and 2 first place finishes to JL's 0. .

I know people want a clear picture, but that's not an accurate statement. Most people I know were underwhelmed with either JL or WM. It was bad enough the process was the joke it was. But it can not be painted as either/or. . .because none of the above was pretty much how I read people's reactions once Gregory removed himself from consideration. In fact, Jones had more vocal support on the boards than either JL or WM.

I know that thought gets a lot of free play, but that was not the sentiment. There were not two distinct camps at that time. However, after JL was hired, I know a good number of people felt given the choice between the two of them we chose the wrong one. And because of that, the interpretation now is different.

[dogsrus]

Yes anyone that wanted JL or WM was thinking with their heads/hearts and not with thier basketball minds.

While BOTH a great guys and successful in many ways NIETHER should have been the top candidate.

When it came down to the final two, yes THATS when camps got divided and the myths started to grow.

And PLEASe, relax...I'm not slamming either guy. Like em both and NEITHER guy has to be ashamed or apologetic for what they have done over the years.

They just weren't top flight candidates for a top flight job.

[PTownHawkeye]

Back to Iowa State for a minute....

There are reports that not one, but TWO of the players who asked for a transfer at the end of this past season are considering coming back...both would be starters next season- Justin Hamilton who was set to go to LSU and former BU recruit Chris Colvin.

I haven't heard of that type of thing happening very often...

[amckillip]

I wanted the best, most qualified candidate. That wasn't Wayne. I was never a Wayne guy. If you believed he was really a finalist that's not my problem; Bradley was never going to hire him.

Unfounded? Gregory's record speaks for itself. More wins, more conference wins, more time in the top 25, more NCAA's, more NIT's, more championships. Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good discussion here, but it's not even a close comparison.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/compare?add=jim-les&c1=brian-gregory

When Jim Les starts getting mentioned for and turning down BCS jobs let me know. I'm pretty sure Cross's phone hasn't been ringing asking for permission to interview.

Stop it. I plainly put the facts out there. Talk about twisting words. Don't use your canned 'Don't let facts' line on me, you can't back it up.

JL WAS mentioned for BCS jobs after the Sweet Sixteen run. And what I said was unfounded was the assumption that Gregory would have had tons more success here than JL. One, Gregory wasn't an option at the end of the day, and two, we have no idea if Gregory would have been better here, they were very different situations.

So spare me the rhetoric about how I'm afraid of facts. I PUT THEM OUT THERE. Assuming identical success in a very different situation is not reasonable, nor is comparing a coach who didn't want the job to the one we have.

[amckillip]

Back to Iowa State for a minute....

There are reports that not one, but TWO of the players who asked for a transfer at the end of this past season are considering coming back...both would be starters next season- Justin Hamilton who was set to go to LSU and former BU recruit Chris Colvin.

I haven't heard of that type of thing happening very often...

Maybe the Hoiberg hiring wasn't so bad after all...

[Jack Bauer]

Stop it. I plainly put the facts out there. Talk about twisting words. Don't use your canned 'Don't let facts' line on me, you can't back it up.

JL WAS mentioned for BCS jobs after the Sweet Sixteen run. And what I said was unfounded was the assumption that Gregory would have had tons more success here than JL. One, Gregory wasn't an option at the end of the day, and two, we have no idea if Gregory would have been better here, they were very different situations.

So spare me the rhetoric about how I'm afraid of facts. I PUT THEM OUT THERE. Assuming identical success in a very different situation is not reasonable, nor is comparing a coach who didn't want the job to the one we have.

Assumptions are assumptions. People are hired on the assumption that their resume qualifies them for the job they're applying for. Those who aren't qualified generally don't perform as well as those who are. The facts are the facts. One guy spent several years under Tom Izzo (as opposed to several years trading stocks in Sacramento), and one has been a lot better than the other. Plain and simple. It comes as a surprise to no one.

Mentioned by a beat writer and actually turning down interviews are two different things altogether. What BCS schools have called BU asking to talk to JL about a job? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Do you really think Bradley can't do any better? Despite over 100 years of doing markedly better, do you really think they can't do better? If they can't, I'm not sure what the point of having a program is, nor why anyone wastes their time following the program. I think they have done better and can do better. A lot better actually. Does thinking BU can and should be great make me a hater? Sorry for having expectations higher than 4th!

If we can't judge people on their records, how can we judge them and what criteria should we use to judge them?

[Braves4Life]

Mentioned by a beat writer and actually turning down interviews are two different things altogether. What BCS schools have called BU asking to talk to JL about a job? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Seems you have a different take on this than most. I recall NC State having interest in BU....... Both the university and JL did not allow this to materialize as Les signed an extension with BU, as I recall.

[amckillip]

Assumptions are assumptions. People are hired on the assumption that their resume qualifies them for the job they're applying for. Those who aren't qualified generally don't perform as well as those who are. The facts are the facts. One guy spent several years under Tom Izzo (as opposed to several years trading stocks in Sacramento), and one has been a lot better than the other. Plain and simple. It comes as a surprise to no one.

Mentioned by a beat writer and actually turning down interviews are two different things altogether. What BCS schools have called BU asking to talk to JL about a job? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Do you really think Bradley can't do any better? Despite over 100 years of doing markedly better, do you really think they can't do better? If they can't, I'm not sure what the point of having a program is, nor why anyone wastes their time following the program. I think they have done better and can do better. A lot better actually. Does thinking BU can and should be great make me a hater? Sorry for having expectations higher than 4th!

If we can't judge people on their records, how can we judge them and what criteria should we use to judge them?

NCSU?

BTW, besides trading stocks, JL was an MVC POY caliber player, played in the NBA, and was an assistant in the WNBA, but ignore those things. Don't let facts get in the way of a good arguement.

NCAA wins?

[AZ BU Fan]

Resetting this thread to ISU/Hoiberg vs Les' performance at BU,

If a person doesn't have hands on college coaching or college recruiting connections/experience, but is a good manager/basketball person, hiring the right assistants or co-head coach can bridge the experience gap of the new head coach.

Hopefully Hoiberg will be able to round up as many good assistant coaches as he can and work with them to overcome his experience gap.

I also hope Hoiberg doesn't get into the public bravado some new inexperienced head coaches get into promising the moon. Hopefully he won't underestimate the difficulty of taking a new job with no experience, won't try to do everything by himself, and, is able to consistently recruit the players he needs to successfully execute his basketball style.

[SFP]

All this arguing over JL has gotten so monotonous. He's here at least through next year so let's live in the now and not what could of been because no one will ever know. In reality BU has invested into his growth and I believe it is ready to pay off. The guy is as loyal as any coach we could dream of and to me there is a ton of value in that. I believe most BU alums and Peorians find this to be a very positive character value and are willing to sacrifice a bit in the short run (please do not jump on short!) in order to achieve some nice long term returns. Short and long are all relative. JL is a very positive role model and an outstanding citizen who has helped produce some outstanding student athletes.

[ER3]

BTW, besides trading stocks, JL was an MVC POY caliber player, played in the NBA, and was an assistant in the WNBA, but ignore those things. Don't let facts get in the way of a good arguement.

He was a volunteer assistant in the WNBA...I think it's best if we did ignore that. It would be better to have a completely empty resume than to include that tidbit.

[Jack Bauer]

NCSU?

BTW, besides trading stocks, JL was an MVC POY caliber player, played in the NBA, and was an assistant in the WNBA, but ignore those things. Don't let facts get in the way of a good arguement.

NCAA wins?

I don't want to use the 'Forrest Gump' bit...but are you ----- or something? What does POY have to do with anything coaching-wise? A few weeks coaching girls? Do you feel good chatting with your friends saying that's your coach's credentials? Yes...I will ignore playing experience and girls basketball watching experience. Your points get weaker by the post. I like JL because he was a great player, but enough with his 'credentials'....you are doing your diploma a disservice by defending them...