Greg McDermott hired for Creighton job

[tornado]

yet another one of the Iowa State players he recruited is gone..

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/03/boozer-transferring-and-seeking-treatment-and-then-there-were-five/

Mac is leaving behind a complete mess in Ames........can you imagine how bad they'd have been had he stayed?
If he finished at the bottom with two NBA Draft caliber players, then where would he have been with nobody?
............Creighton people might want to be wary.....

[amckillip]

yet another one of the Iowa State players he recruited is gone..

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/05/03/boozer-transferring-and-seeking-treatment-and-then-there-were-five/

Mac is leaving behind a complete mess in Ames........can you imagine how bad they'd have been had he stayed?
If he finished at the bottom with two NBA Draft caliber players, then where would he have been with nobody?
............Creighton people might want to be wary.....

I think you're jumping the gun here. McDermott was a TOP MVC coach 3 years ago, besting JL, so why would CU fans be that worried?

[tornado]

worried about the reasons so many players have left...I am not talking at all about ability to coach.......

[Braves4Life]

worried about the reasons so many players have left...I am not talking at all about ability to coach.......

I don't believe he had that many players (if any) leave at UNI. I think he simply changed his recruiting philosophy at ISU by recruiting BCS-caliber players who had character issues. That's the reason they ended up at ISU instead of KU, KSU, Texas, etc. There is no way he was going to get "quality" BCS-types to play at ISU.

I would compare this to the problems that Les had with his heralded recruiting class of Fears, Williams, etc.

[tornado]

I don't believe he had that many players (if any) leave at UNI. ...

I disagree...he had a lot....hardly any different than the massive player defections at Iowa State.....
..Dylan Grimsley, Jermaine Raffington, Vince Polakovic, Everette Pedescleaux, Anthony Davis, Mason Stewart, Stephen Jones, Atila Santos, Carlton Reed, Matt Bennett, Chris Foster, Michael Williams, D Jura, M Miller, Adam Jacobson, Adam Salow, Keyon Tutt, Austin Howard, Jon Montgomery, Drew Lundberg, Bret Barz, and Matt Culliver are the guys I can think of off the top of my head...some were walk ons, but still, that is considerably more than 20 guys over a 5-year tenure at UNI who left early or left before ever playing at UNI.

PLUS -- if you want to count the guys who were there on the 2000-2001 roster who chose not to return or were sent packing
when McDermott took over as head coach for 2001-2002..then there are at least five more........bringing the total to 27 who had eligibility remaining but left in his five years!!

[amckillip]

I disagree...he had a lot....hardly any different than the massive player defections at Iowa State.....
..Dylan Grimsley, Jermaine Raffington, Vince Polakovic, Everette Pedescleaux, Anthony Davis, Mason Stewart, Stephen Jones, Atila Santos, Carlton Reed, Matt Bennett, Chris Foster, Michael Williams, D Jura, M Miller, Adam Jacobson, Adam Salow, Keyon Tutt, Austin Howard, Jon Montgomery, Drew Lundberg, Bret Barz, and Matt Culliver are the guys I can think of off the top of my head...some were walk ons, but still, that is considerably more than 20 guys over a 5-year tenure at UNI who left early or left before ever playing at UNI.

PLUS -- if you want to count the guys who were there on the 2000-2001 roster who chose not to return or were sent packing
when McDermott took over as head coach for 2001-2002..then there are at least five more........bringing the total to 27 who had eligibility remaining but left in his five years!!

Eddren, Darian, Rashad, DeAaron, Fears, Brown, Granger, Thornton, TCS, Saihou, Rembert, Stemler, Jones... Off the top of my head...

[tornado]

agree....BU has oft had one or two each year - as have almost all D-I schools.......
....but nowhere near 20+ and if you add the ones at Iowa State, then in less than a decade, Mac had close to 50 kids leave before eligibility was up...gotta be an all time record for a D-I head coach.....
BU's numbers are about average for any midmajor....Mac's numbers are off the chart for any school whatsoever.....

[Da Coach]

Eddren, Darian, Rashad, DeAaron, Fears, Brown, Granger, Thornton, TCS, Saihou, Rembert, Stemler, Jones... Off the top of my head...

Jones? Kevin Jones?
Are you counting him as a player who left the team?
And Thornton was also given a chance to walkon. I suspect if we are counting walkons, we can find a bunch more at Creighton and most schools.

[amckillip]

Jones? Kevin Jones?
Are you counting him as a player who left the team?
And Thornton was also given a chance to walkon. I suspect if we are counting walkons, we can find a bunch more at Creighton and most schools.

Some people on here thought Ryan Thorton would be much better than the a normal walk-on Danny Adams-esque. They were:

Ryan is a better ball handler and can create shots a bit better, and he go inside occasionally and score and rebound. Trevor Trimpe almost never dribbled the ball and was mostly a spotup shooter.

I think Ryan is a lot like Lance Stemler. And we know Coach Les was attracted to Lance's size and ability to shoot. Unfortunately, Lance never showed his shooting stroke much at Bradley, but had a great year as a soph at SWIC. And hopefully we'll see that again next year at Indiana.

Welcome Ryan, I am very happy you chose Bradley and I believe you will be a good player for the Braves.
In his freshman season, Ryan played an average of only 4.8 minutes per game,
and hit 20 of 66 3-pointers, averaging 2.7ppg.

I will admit I don't know much about Jones, but he left early, correct? I could go through and pick at T's list but it's one guy, who cares? The point I'm making is that all coaches have turnover, especially if they've changed jobs several times.

[Da Coach]

If you are using that quote to suggest I- "thought Ryan Thorton would be much better than the a normal walk-on", that is not correct. I never said that, and never believed it. That quote from me was to answer someone's question about what kind of player he was like, and how he compared with Trevor Trimpe.
I try to avoid making projections about players, especially walkons.

Regarding Kevin Jones- he was a member of the 2003-2004 team as a freshman, the 2004-2005 team as a sophomore, he skipped the 2005-2006 season, then was on the roster again with the 2006-2007 team. I don't think he left early. He did not play at any other school than Bradley, but I don't really know if he had any eligibility left.

[Braves4Life]

I disagree...he had a lot....hardly any different than the massive player defections at Iowa State.....

Thanks for correcting me t. I was not aware that McD was nearly equally as bad as retention while at UNI.

[tornado]

McD is a good coach and gets the most out of the players he has who want to play....but a lot find themselves unhappy and leave..

[tornado]

I did some checking...

one thing I notes was that every season...going all the way back to his years at UNI, McDermott tends to play just 5 or 6 main players and everyone else gets the leftover minutes..

2009-2010 - 5 guys averaged between 26 mpg & 35 mpg...only one other guy gets more than 16 mpg

in his last years at UNI...same thing...
only 6 players got more than 8 mpg...

Now maybe that's what he had to do to win....that's not my point, but what I think it does is create a LOT of dissent and
unhappiness when you carry 13 scholarship players and 7 or 8 of them are simply never getting any decent minutes, even in blowouts.....

I compared to BU's stats last year...and even while we were "shorthanded" with one player (Dodie) done for the season,
and two more who began the season on redshirts - statistically seven players averaged 20 mpg or more and ELEVEN averaged 8 mpg or more...

Dana had 11 of his guys averaging 13 minutes per game or MORE!!....so the McDermott era in Omaha is not going to set well
with some of the players who are hoping to retain their playing time!

I think this tendency Mac has always had to play just a small core group most of the minutes hurts him in two ways...
While at UNI it was always obvious that they tuckered out in the stretch run...then generally petered out in the tourney and lost their only post-season tourney game.

http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Northern%20Iowa&y=2006

Then the second offshoot is all the unhappy guys who think they should be playing more.......You have to get those guys some PT and you can't be oblivious to that...
I checked many of the UNI box scores from the McD era, and even in 30 pt blowouts, only 5-6 players got any significant playing time...

[amckillip]

I did some checking...

one thing I notes was that every season...going all the way back to his years at UNI, McDermott tends to play just 5 or 6 main players and everyone else gets the leftover minutes..

2009-2010 - 5 guys averaged between 26 mpg & 35 mpg...only one other guy gets more than 16 mpg

Last year we had 5 Guys average between 22 mpg & 35 Mpg and only one other guy got more than 15 mpg...