Scottie Pippen to HOF

[Nacho]

Anyone catch the piece on ESPN about too many people getting their own statues?

Bud Selig and Scottie Pippen?? Who will be next?

How about a Tim Legler statue? Maybe a Shawon Dunston statue?

I'd love to see a Shawon duston statue... all time favorite Cub!

[houstontxbrave]

I'd love to see a Shawon duston statue... all time favorite Cub!

Sitting 6 rows up directly behind first base with Leon Durhams head turned and back towards the statue.

[electricmayhem]

wow -- if a single DUI and a couple allegations of domestic arguments is all you can come up with , then he's squeakier clean than 98% of the NBA and even a couple Valley teams..

I was just arguing the point dogs made about not seeing his name on the police blotters... it was there. Whether or not the rest of the league engages in criminal activity doesn't matter.

I'll give you this - he, Oscar Robertson and John Havlicek are still the only players in NBA history with 18,000+ points, 7,000+ rebounds and 6,000+ assists. Kobe will be there in a few years... and probably LeBron eventually.

[JMM28]

His NBA average for the seasons he played with MJ on the Bulls is about 18 ppg. For the years he played without MJ is under 14 ppg.
His career shooting percentage of 47% and 3-point percentage of 32.6% is below average for players similar to him who are in the HOF. He was an average rebounder (6.4 rpg) for his career.

That is not really fair. You aren't factoring in that he was over the age of 34 in all but 2 years of the non-MJ years(and i don't think you are counting 93-94/94-95?). Every forward-guard type in the league regresses around that time. I am sure Big O, Jerry West, etc. all showed a significant decline.

Also, stats don't take into account that he may have been the best defender of his generation, definitely as a forward.

And the DWI/gun things were both dropped due to lack of evidence. Maybe it was a favor to a famous athlete, or maybe it was a cop trying to get on the news.

[amckillip]

That is not really fair. You aren't factoring in that he was over the age of 34 in all but 2 years of the non-MJ years(and i don't think you are counting 93-94/94-95?). Every forward-guard type in the league regresses around that time. I am sure Big O, Jerry West, etc. all showed a significant decline.

Also, stats don't take into account that he may have been the best defender of his generation, definitely as a forward.

And the DWI/gun things were both dropped due to lack of evidence. Maybe it was a favor to a famous athlete, or maybe it was a cop trying to get on the news.

He knows it's not fair. I compared the four most similar years, when Scottie was at his prime both with and without MJ, as fair as a comparison as one can get, but that didn't support his argument. Pulling up stats of an NBA player in their late thirties doesn't prove anything. Fact of the matter is, when you are a unanimous first ballot hall of famer, there is no chance you are only an average NBA player, no matter who you played with.

As a matter of fact I don't think Jim Les was anything more than an average MVC-player that Hersey made look good. Without Hersey he averaged 6.3 ppg. With Hersey he averaged 12.1. Thats almost a 100% improvement. Hersey clearly just carried JL.

For the record, I am not a Bulls fan, nor a fan of any Chicago team, I even hate the Cubs with a passion.

[BU RICK]

Wow DC, "slightly better than average NBA talent", I know you didn't mean that. He's one of the all-time best. He was an attack beast, unstoppable, a true Bull rush. No one can tell any Bulls fan anything different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tObgS6uUVjQ

[sousaman2089]

are there people out there that think Scottie isn't one of the top 50 players of all time?

[amckillip]

...I believe he made a HOF'er out of Pippen, who was actually otherwise a slightly better than average NBA talent.

are there people out there that think Scottie isn't one of the top 50 players of all time?

I think so...

[Da Coach]

There are quite a few people who think Pippen was overrated, and does not belong in the Top 50 players in NBA history.
I am not one of them. I think Pipppen does belong in the Top 50.
But I have probably seen more discussion about Pippen not belonging in the Top 50 than just about any other member of that group.
Skip Bayless, ESPN reporter, believes he does not belong-

http://www.clublakers.com/nba-discussion/skip-bayless-doesn-think-scottie-pippen-top-player-t124501.html

Here are a couple discussions about which players should be deleted from the Top 50 (especially if younger players like LeBron is added). Pippen is mentioned by more people than any other-

http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2009/06/the_nbas_top_50_players_of_all.html

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/scottie-pippen-most-overrated-player-nba-history-1412516/index2.html

[Out of Balance]

are there people out there that think Scottie isn't one of the top 50 players of all time?

Where did you come from Who are you Welcome

[Out of Balance]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Coach
...I believe he made a HOF'er out of Pippen, who was actually otherwise a slightly better than average NBA talent.



[quote=[B]Da Coach[/b];189569]There are quite a few people who think Pippen was overrated, and does not belong in the Top 50 players in NBA history.
I am not one of them. I think Pipppen does belong in the Top 50.

, Witch way is it DC? Don't back up friend, I am with you

[Da Coach]

Scottie is definititely a Top 50 player, and a HOFer.
But he is a guy who would not have accomplished much of what he did without MJ. He owes a lot to MJ, as do a lot of players who made a lot of money in the NBA by playing with MJ.
If Scottie had stayed with the Seattle Supersonics (the team that drafted him), I wonder if we would be celebrating Olden Polynice's induction into the HOF?

[sousaman2089]

Magic had Kareem, Larry had McHale, Russell had Cousey and Havlicek. Why does Scottie always get picked on when none of the other 2nd bananas don't? Is it because MJ was THE best and such a bright star? and because of that anyone around him just pales in comparison?

[Chico]

Magic had Kareem, Larry had McHale, Russell had Cousey and Havlicek. Why does Scottie always get picked on when none of the other 2nd bananas don't? Is it because MJ was THE best and such a bright star? and because of that anyone around him just pales in comparison?

Don't remember Alcindor, McHale, Cousy or Havlicek
ever refusing to enter a game.

[amckillip]

Don't remember Alcindor, McHale, Cousy or Havlicek
ever refusing to enter a game.

Yeah, because the Media was exactly the same back then. You didn't hear about Babe Ruth being a alcoholic womanizer either. I know stories about some of the greats in the 80's that are as bad as that, but everyone is human. The holier than thou routine many maintain on here is unbelievable. Don't tell me you never in your career have slacked off at work when your colleagues needed you, or got upset you got passed up for a promotion and coasted for a couple of days. I'm very early in my career and I've done both those things, and don't tell me it's because I'm slacker either (I work between 55-65 hours a week), I'm just honest.