Scottie Pippen to HOF

[Da Coach]

In the case of all those other "supporting cast", including Pippen, when they played without Michael Jordan, or when they were traded and played with other teams and other "stars", they never had numbers or success like they did when playing with MJ. The same goes for many other Bulls players, many of whom made some All-Star teams with the Bulls (but never elsewhere), or ended up signing huge contracts because other teams thought they were better than they really were. BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant, Scott Williams, Bill Wennington, Luc Longley, Tony Kukoc, and others, all had less success elsewhere once they left the Bulls. MJ was the one and only true superstar, and he made stars out of a lot of average players who made an awful lot of money off the association with MJ. And I believe he made a HOF'er out of Pippen, who was actually otherwise a slightly better than average NBA talent.

[Chico]

Haha, so one selfish moment is the same as that? I need to stick to my rule to only get in debates where logic is applied.

Didn't say it was the same, but both show lack of respect.

[Out of Balance]

Right, I have a personal bias when a so-called teammate won't leave the bench because he isn't called upon to be the star of the day. I have as much respect for him as I do a player who won't come on the floor for the National Athem.

The bench thing may not be as bad as not staying on the floor for the N.A. in my views but its a very close second and I bet his teammates lost a lot of respect towards him and rightfully so It just seems players can do things outside/breaking team rules and put themselfs before the team, as Pit did to his team, then all they have to do is apologize, look sad and say a half ass, I am sorry and all is forgiven and good. BS A perfect example, what that over paid Cub pitcher did to his teammates and coach's, this year

Agreed about Pippen. I always thought he was selfish and self-centered. He was important to the Bulls, but you could argue Rodman, Grant, Paxson, Hodges, etc. were also very important.

I agree One could also say Pit would never of had and enjoyed his success if not for MJ Just look at his career after MJ departed. Did he ever win another championship or play to the level he did when playing a long side MJ He was good for the Bulls in winning 6 championships without a doubt, but so would of a lot of other good players who did not get the great oppunity to play along side a player like MJ Should he be in the HOF I am not sure

Teams win championships. Pippen was important to the Bulls' success. He was also a real horses *#@

[BU RICK]

In the case of all those other "supporting cast", including Pippen, when they played without Michael Jordan, or when they were traded and played with other teams and other "stars", they never had numbers or success like they did when playing with MJ. The same goes for many other Bulls players, many of whom made some All-Star teams with the Bulls (but never elsewhere), or ended up signing huge contracts because other teams thought they were better than they really were. BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant, Scott Williams, Bill Wennington, Luc Longley, Tony Kukoc, and others, all had less success elsewhere once they left the Bulls. MJ was the one and only true superstar, and he made stars out of a lot of average players who made an awful lot of money off the association with MJ. And I believe he made a HOF'er out of Pippen, who was actually otherwise a slightly better than average NBA talent.

MJ was already there. All the rest were either drafted, traded for, or picked up as free agents by one of our very own, "Once a Brave, Always a Brave", Jerry Krause. He built those championship teams and still doesn't get enough credit for it. He found Pippen when nobody else was looking at him. Really enjoyed watching Pippen play.

Have fun at the ballgame tonight, looking forward to the pictures and video that will be posted.

[amckillip]

In the case of all those other "supporting cast", including Pippen, when they played without Michael Jordan, or when they were traded and played with other teams and other "stars", they never had numbers or success like they did when playing with MJ. The same goes for many other Bulls players, many of whom made some All-Star teams with the Bulls (but never elsewhere), or ended up signing huge contracts because other teams thought they were better than they really were. BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Horace Grant, Scott Williams, Bill Wennington, Luc Longley, Tony Kukoc, and others, all had less success elsewhere once they left the Bulls. MJ was the one and only true superstar, and he made stars out of a lot of average players who made an awful lot of money off the association with MJ. And I believe he made a HOF'er out of Pippen, who was actually otherwise a slightly better than average NBA talent.

Pippen's line the years before and after MJ's absence:

PPG REB AST STL FG%
18.6 7.7 6.3 2.1 .473
19.4 6.5 5.9 1.7 .463

When MJ was gone:

PPG REB AST STL FG%
22.0 8.7 5.6 2.9 .491
21.4 8.1 5.2 2.9 .480

When MJ was gone Pippen had markedly better years, All-NBA career-type years as a matter of fact, and got the Bulls deep in the playoffs with no sort of sidekick. So how do you justify with any sort of factual basis, heck even anything more than pure conjecture, that he was only above average talent?

[tornado]

Maybe this was mentioned...but the Bulls are going to give Scottie Pippen his own life-sized statue outside the United Center next to MJ's!!

http://www.wgntv.com/sports/basketball/bulls/wgntv-scottie-pippin-statue-aug25,0,5137595.story

[Da Coach]

Pippen's line the years before and after MJ's absence:

PPG REB AST STL FG%
18.6 7.7 6.3 2.1 .473
19.4 6.5 5.9 1.7 .463

When MJ was gone:

PPG REB AST STL FG%
22.0 8.7 5.6 2.9 .491
21.4 8.1 5.2 2.9 .480

When MJ was gone Pippen had markedly better years, All-NBA career-type years as a matter of fact, and got the Bulls deep in the playoffs with no sort of sidekick. So how do you justify with any sort of factual basis, heck even anything more than pure conjecture, that he was only above average talent?

I love Scottie Pippen. But people just don't realize how much effect Michael Jordan had on the performance of his teammates. Pippen was never a star without Jordan, and he even has admitted that.
Pippen scored more after Jordan left because his shots per game went up and his free throws per game went way up. He had the ball a lot more, and shot more. His assists went down for those 2 seasons.

I also justify it by comparing other things-
like in the 3 seasons between 1995-1996 and 1997-98, the last 3 seasons he teamed with Michael Jordan- he averaged:
1995-96- 19.4 ppg
1996-97- 20.2 ppg
1997-98- 19.1 ppg

and the 5 seasons after he left the Bulls his scoring averages were-
1998-99- 14.5 ppg
1999-00- 12.5 ppg
2000-01- 11.3 ppg
2001-02- 10.6 ppg
2002-03- 10.8 ppg
2003-04- 5.9 ppg
That's a huge difference, and he started nearly every game for Houston and Portland, and played major minutes after he left the Bulls, but was never a star player again, and was only a bit above average. He never was an All-Star after 1997.

His NBA average for the seasons he played with MJ on the Bulls is about 18 ppg. For the years he played without MJ is under 14 ppg.
His career shooting percentage of 47% and 3-point percentage of 32.6% is below average for players similar to him who are in the HOF. He was an average rebounder (6.4 rpg) for his career.

[dogsrus]

Pippen was wrong that night and I'm sure he would say so today.....the way I look at it the guy had a long career and has been outta hoops for awhile and the ONLY negative you here about him was this ONE incident.

Never heard anyone call him a bad teammate...never heard anyone accuse him of being selfish and self centered (yes he was THAT one brief moment that nite) never seen his name all over any police blotters.

I HOPE people don't judge me or reach any conclusions based on a SINGLE stoopid event....

[Out of Balance]

Pippen was wrong that night and I'm sure he would say so today.....the way I look at it the guy had a long career and has been outta hoops for awhile and the ONLY negative you here about him was this ONE incident.

Never heard anyone call him a bad teammate...never heard anyone accuse him of being selfish and self centered (yes he was THAT one brief moment that nite) never seen his name all over any police blotters.

I HOPE people don't judge me or reach any conclusions based on a SINGLE stooped event....

Watched you play golf today from behind some tree's Not sure all those bad shots could be classified as stooped but I have reached a conclusion on your game, dogsrus

[Chico]

Maybe this was mentioned...but the Bulls are going to give Scottie Pippen his own life-sized statue outside the United Center next to MJ's!!
http://www.wgntv.com/sports/basketba...,5137595.story

Will he be sitting on the bench?

[electricmayhem]

the way I look at it the guy had a long career and has been outta hoops for awhile and the ONLY negative you here about him was this ONE incident.

never seen his name all over any police blotters...

Come on, dogs -- arrested for a loaded weapon in his car in 1994, domestic battery charge (followed by a paternity suit which he denied fathering a child) in 1995, suspicion of DWI in 1999 - let's not put him up for sainthood quite yet. I've never met him, so I can't speak to his character, but he wasn't as squeaky clean as we would like to believe.

Here's a pretty classy picture of Pip:

http://www.bestmugshotever.com/mugshot.php?id=567

[tornado]

wow -- if a single DUI and a couple allegations of domestic arguments is all you can come up with , then he's squeakier clean than 98% of the NBA and even a couple Valley teams..

[houstontxbrave]

Come on, dogs -- arrested for a loaded weapon in his car in 1994, domestic battery charge (followed by a paternity suit which he denied fathering a child) in 1995, suspicion of DWI in 1999 - let's not put him up for sainthood quite yet. I've never met him, so I can't speak to his character, but he wasn't as squeaky clean as we would like to believe.

Here's a pretty classy picture of Pip:

http://www.bestmugshotever.com/mugshot.php?id=567

Really that stuff is about par for the course in the Association.

I still have issues with his "migraine" v Detroit in 89-90 which likely resulted from his "concussion he had in the 88-89 playoffs v Detroit. He was marshmellow soft in his first few years but he really evolved into a dependable player all the rest of that decade.

I think he deserves all the attention he has received for his game, career and achievements but it should never be ignored that he quit on his team in very critical situations.

[Out of Balance]

Really that stuff is about par for the course in the Association.

I still have issues with his "migraine" v Detroit in 89-90 which likely resulted from his "concussion he had in the 88-89 playoffs v Detroit. He was marshmellow soft in his first few years but he really evolved into a dependable player all the rest of that decade.

I think he deserves all the attention he has received for his game, career and achievements but it should never be ignored that he quit on his team in very critical situations.

This alone, should disqualify him or anyone from going in ANY HOF, don't you think Isn't the HOF about being a teammate and a team player Or is it all about a individuals numbers If it is the second here, then, the NBA and its HOF is as criminal as most of its players Come On man

[BradleyJD]

Maybe this was mentioned...but the Bulls are going to give Scottie Pippen his own life-sized statue outside the United Center next to MJ's!!
http://www.wgntv.com/sports/basketba...,5137595.story

Anyone catch the piece on ESPN about too many people getting their own statues?

Bud Selig and Scottie Pippen?? Who will be next?

How about a Tim Legler statue? Maybe a Shawon Dunston statue?