Mid Major Respect

[Lakeview Brave]

Dayton was 20-12 at the end of their season (beofre their 5 wins in the NIT).
I agree they looked very good in their run through the NIT.
But then how did they lose 12 games? A couple of their losses (at Duquesne and St. Joseph's) were to bad teams.

Using the logic I have seen used here and applied to Bradley- if the talent was there, maybe the coaching wasn't always so good?

I agree the coaching wasnt so good, that Dayton team should not have had 12 losses. It is the exact same logic I apply to the Sweet 16 team, no way that team should have finished 5th in conference. To much talent on both teams for that many losses and im pretty sure if you asked both coaches they would agree.

[Bravesfan]

using the logic that was established elsewhere on this board...
that if a team has the best players in the conference, and if they were picked to win the conference, and were even ranked inside the Top 20 at one time...
and if everyone agrees they have the talent and should NEVER have lost 12 games...or lost NINE games in their conference...
then it had to be the coaching...

Exactly! It definitely was bad coaching. As a matter of fact, Gregory is the same "bad" coach that many teams are looking at hiring this offseason!

It's obvious that his coaching is so bad, it is actually better than 99% of those teams that are looking for new coaches!

[Bravesfan]

you know I was thinking the same thing....detractors will be detractors....no matter what is accomplished...

There would be detractors if even Coach K or Tom Izzo missed the tournament for two years!

There is one rule that is common on any campus amongst detractors. That is that the previous resume has absolutely no meaning if a team misses the tournament for two or more years, even if they made the tournament the previous 20 years!

It's unfortunate, but there are some people who are never satisfied!

[Lakeview Brave]

There would be detractors if even Coach K or Tom Izzo missed the tournament for two years!

There is one rule that is common on any campus amongst detractors. That is that the previous resume has absolutely no meaning if a team misses the tournament for two or more years, even if they made the tournament the previous 20 years!

It's unfortunate, but there are some people who are never satisfied!

Do you think the coaches or players on those teams are satisfied if they miss the tournament? If not then why should the fans be?

Collage basketball is big big business worth billions of dollars and has coaches making millions of dollars so I dont see the problem with asking a millionaire basketball coach "what have you done for me lately" Can you name any business job that allows people to rest on their laurels? If you are in sales and don’t sell for a year nobody cares what you did last year. That is the real world.

[Da Coach]

Gimme a break- it's basketball. It's just a game.

[Bravesfan]

Do you think the coaches or players on those teams are satisfied if they miss the tournament? If not then why should the fans be?

Collage basketball is big big business worth billions of dollars and has coaches making millions of dollars so I dont see the problem with asking a millionaire basketball coach "what have you done for me lately" Can you name any business job that allows people to rest on their laurels? If you are in sales and don’t sell for a year nobody cares what you did last year. That is the real world.

Wait a minute! We're not talking about the business world here. We're talking about a game. A big business, yes. But no where related whatsoever to a business firm in the "real world".

And yes, there is a big difference here. In basketball I think even the best coaches are allowed to have a down year or two every so often. Are you really telling me Lakeview Brave that if Tom Izzo has one down year where they miss the Big Dance that he should be fired??? Puhleeze!

Sorry, but I think six Final Four appearances in twelve years is pretty darn good!

[Lakeview Brave]

Wait a minute! We're not talking about the business world here. We're talking about a game. A big business, yes. But no where related whatsoever to a business firm in the "real world".

And yes, there is a big difference here. In basketball I think even the best coaches are allowed to have a down year or two every so often. Are you really telling me Lakeview Brave that if Tom Izzo has one down year where they miss the Big Dance that he should be fired??? Puhleeze!

Sorry, but I think six Final Four appearances in twelve years is pretty darn good!

How is a sport that brings in millions to a university, attracts students and keeps alumni close not business? To the students it might just be baskeball but to the athletic departments, television, staff at arean's and the other thousands of people employeed; its bussiness for sure. If it was "just basketball" then why do the coaches get paid millions of dollars? "No where related to the real world"?? Very very naive, the only revenue sport at BU and almost everyother school in the Valley is the real world for those schools and students. Do you think the same thing about football at Notre Dame?

No I dont think Tom Izzo argueably the best coach in the country would be fired but what about a coach at Michigan St. who at no final fours or even NCAA appearences? Should people who are get paid to a level that puts them in the top %1 of wealth in the world be held to a high standard?