Evans Turner's Triple Double vs. Illinois

[Braves4Life]

I know they're all Draft sites, but they're the easiest ones to find that clearly state position, and that look at the overall play, not just what the coach says (such as OSU's website or something).

Sorry amckillip but I'm more prone to believe my eyes and what Turner's coach says than some third party draft site. See, the thing is, Turner is not listed as the PG (I think Buford is) but Turner is the one who directs that offense. Everything starts and ends with him. He has nearly twice as many assists, points, and rebounds as anyone else on that team.

[amckillip]

Sorry amckillip but I'm more prone to believe my eyes and what Turner's coach says than some third party draft site. See, the thing is, Turner is not listed as the PG (I think Buford is) but Turner is the one who directs that offense. Everything starts and ends with him. He has nearly twice as many assists, points, and rebounds as anyone else on that team.

Exactly! All those things you said, take place that involve the pg are in the first 5 seconds of the possession, then turner is a wing. Assists and turnovers do not happen in the first 5 seconds of a possession and it's only about a 1/3 to 1/4 of the average possession. The part where you say it ends with him is just as important, he has more shot attempts than anyone else on the team, which indicates he doesn't play as a pg most of the possession, he doesn't rotate back for D, which indicates he doesn't play as a pg most of the possession, he attacks the boards after as shot, which indicates he doesn't play as a pg most of the possession, etc.

Also look at players who lead their team in assists, points, and rebounds... LeBron? Who by the way is similar height and style of play to ET, and is a SG/SF...

[BradleyBrave]

Exactly! All those things you said, take place that involve the pg are in the first 5 seconds of the possession, then turner is a wing. Assists and turnovers do not happen in the first 5 seconds of a possession and it's only about a 1/3 to 1/4 of the average possession. The part where you say it ends with him is just as important, he has more shot attempts than anyone else on the team, which indicates he doesn't play as a pg most of the possession, he doesn't rotate back for D, which indicates he doesn't play as a pg most of the possession, he attacks the boards after as shot, which indicates he doesn't play as a pg most of the possession, etc.

Also look at players who lead their team in assists, points, and rebounds... LeBron? Who by the way is similar height and style of play to ET, and is a SG/SF...

Magic Johnson averaged over 7 rebounds per game. He was a point guard.

[amckillip]

Magic Johnson averaged over 7 rebounds per game. He was a point guard.

Scottie Pippen averaged 5 apg... He was a forward. What does that matter?

I'm not arguing ET couldn't rationally be called a pg, I'm saying for the purposes of this discussion - turnovers - he is not best compared to a pg, but rather are 2 or 3. He is clearly not in the same role as a Sam Maniscalco or John Wall, but much closer to wing players, especially for this discussion.

[Future Walk-On]

IMO...ET plays the 1,2,3,4, and 5 simultaneously