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Originally posted by BradleyBrave
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I know what you mean BB. It has that "I don't want to complain, but" feel. I don't think they get in and I think Marshal knows it he is just trying to build up confedence in his team for the tourney they land in. IMHO -
Ala Dick Versace the year his NIT Champs got snubbed.Originally posted by New Guy View PostComment
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Originally posted by tornado View Post
And now for the rest of the story...
Richmond- quality non-conf wins include Missouri, Florida, Mississippi St, and Old Dominion. Close loss @Wake. Some bad (2 under 250, 6 under 200.)scheduling, but made up for it with top 100 games/wins.
Rhode Island - Not as much to talk about, but they do have quality wins v. OKState, @Akron, and v. Northeastern. Not the big names, but have top 100 numbers. Only bad losses were @StBona & @UMass. 2 teams played were under 250.
SLU - Supposedly it won't be a consideration this year, but played the non-conf without arguably their best player waiting for clearance. 8-2 in last 10 games, etc. Quality wins late in conference. Terrible non conference schedule, not helped by how terrible Iowa State was in conference.
Wichita played 5 teams under the 250 RPI level. 2 good non conference games, quality win v. TTU, loss to Pitt.
The Evansville loss may have killed their hopes. Bad losses to Drake, BU and Creighton don't help the cause either.Comment
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All great points. And if you look at the teams they lost to versus the teams they beat, their resume screams NIT. But here's the issue that keeps cropping up every year. When it comes down to separating the last few bubble teams, it usually comes down to two or three BCS teams and two or three mid-majors. And the mid-majors, WSU this year included, are not actually that much worse than the BCS bubble teams. But we all know that the BCS teams get chosen 80 to 90% of time over the mid-majors.Originally posted by LittleBrave View Post
I'm not talking so much about Illinois this year as there is no doubt that they can beat NCAA Tournament teams as their top 50 RPI record indicates. But I'm talking about bubble teams like Mississippi and Mississippi St, Arizona St and Washington from the Pac-10, and a few other very average looking teams from the other BCS leagues.
Now I challenge anyone to prove to me why those aforementioned teams should be in ahead of Wichita St. when you dissect their resumes! I just don't see the difference.Comment
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Originally posted by TheAsianSensation View Post
Thats just garbage!
You think Rhode Island would be sitting on the bubble if they had that record in the Big East?!
Teams like UConn and such should not be rewarded for playing in the Big East and then playing almost all their non-con at home while teams like Rhode Island get exponentially penalized because they play in a conference with St. Bonaventure...
I say seperate the RPI numbers and reward teams that go out and play a tough non-con....
You're in what conference you are in and unfortunately really can not help that factor....Comment
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You are absolutely correct SLB22! Rhode Island would be in if they were in a BCS conference. The A-10 this year consists of as many good teams as the Big Ten does, but the A-10 will get three teams in at the most while the Big Ten clinched their fifth team today. And my above post further explains why I feel the BCS bubble teams get the benefit of the doubt most of the time.Originally posted by SaintLouBrave22 View Post
Before others chime in disagreeing with this point, let me just clarify a key point here. I have not, nor have I ever said that many mid-level BCS teams don't deserve bids to the NCAA Tournament. A team like Illinois has demonstrated that even with a mediocre 19-13 record why they should be in. The reason is that they have five wins over the RPI top 50, so I have no problem with them being included. My gripe is with teams like Washington out of the Pac-10 or the two Mississippi teams out of the SEC as examples. They have resumes no better, and more likely worse than Rhode Island, but URI will be left out before those three teams I mentioned.
My gripe is also with teams like Wichita St. that while not having a great resume, still get no consideration for finishing strong in one of the top 10 conferences in the country, while teams like Mississippi who finished fifth in the SEC with an equal resume will get selected over similar mid-majors 90% of the time.
In reality we can all debate the merits of including WSU in the field. Some feel they might not deserve to be in. But neither does Mississippi. And when I see them in the field this Sunday with a #9 seed (or if not them, someone else with a similar resume), I have no choice but to throw my hands up in disgust!
So while I do agree that in general "teams do get bids, but not conferences", there are several exceptions to that rule every single year. And it is the Creightons, the WSU's and the Rhode Island's of the world that get hurt by these exceptions every time!Comment
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Rhode Island would be in if they played in the Big East with that record because that would mean the wins they had to have would be better on average. Because the Big East provides more oppurtunities for wins.
Don't confuse how good a conference is with how many bids it gets. YES, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. Of course, generally speaking, the better the conference, the more chances there are for quality wins and the more teams will get in. But it's not guaranteed. You get more chances. It doesn't GUARANTEE more bids.
I'm as much an advocate of more mid-major bids and less power conference bids, just like you guys. But let's criticize the parts of the selection process that deserve it, not the process as a whole.
Teams get bids, not conferences. That thought process can't be criticized. It's how the individual teams are selected that is the main problem. The committee doesn't sit there thinking of ways to deny mid majors and give the big boys all their bids. It turns out the selection critieria they use create that illusion, and it's that selection criteria that needs to change.Comment
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And in the past 2 posts, I see UConn and Ole Miss presented as the 2 examples - and neither are making the tournament! If you want to prove a point, select a team that's actually in the field right now.
If you really want to make your point, you should try to argue about Georgia Tech, Illinois, or Virginia Tech. Don't argue about bubble teams already on the way out.Comment
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I don't think we are disagreeing that much here, other than the status of the last few bubble teams. Rhode Island though did have almost as many opportunities for solid wins because three of the A-10 teams are in or close to the top 25 right now.Originally posted by TheAsianSensation View Post
UConn of course will not make it after bowing out yesterday, but Ole Miss with a 9-7 SEC record could still sneak in. As far as Georgia Tech, Illinois and Virginia Tech, I agree that they should all make it.
My point is that there is usually one or two "head-scratcher" picks that nobody has any clue as to how they got picked. That is the issue I have.Comment
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I just hope that if WSU does not get a bid, Az State does not get a bid to the NCAA either. That would make 3 selections from the Pac 10, and 1 from the Valley.
One could also argue that UNI could play Pac 10 champion Cal even on a neutral floor.BUilding for the Future
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