Doug Elgin to ISU, etc... "embarrassing"

[Da Coach]

Wichita State and Illinois State are paying the price for poor scheduling.
The other teams like SIU, Evansville, MSU, and Drake wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid anyway, but their poor scheduling hurt the league.

I agree that each school needs to worry just about themselves, but it doesn't hurt to try to shame the others into trying to schedule a little better.

[Dallas Brave]

“We’re not going to be a three- or four-bid league again without some risks,” Elgin says.

What exactly are the risks of scheduling better competition? It would appear scheduling up only has possible upside with no downside to me. All the risk is associated with scheduling down ... see Ill St and WSU for live examples. Decent W-L records but no chance at an at-large bid.

[Future Walk-On]

Yeah these weak SOS teams still ran us over in conference..............so.............I don't care.

[Grassman]

While I agree with the general tone of this thread- it is disingenuous to point out ISU alone- and the Commissioner didn't single anyone out.

The Wessler article pointed out the worst offenders in terms of SOS- but regardless of how other teams schedule- all BU has to worry about is 1. How we schedule 2. The results!

Braveman, how the other Valley teams schedule does affect us:. If they have a low SOS, that will weigh heavily on theirr RPI.
Thus when we play them, win or lose, we will have our RPI affected negatively.
That is why, before The Valley season began, we had a pretty good SOS, but once we started playing in conference it fell all the way to 147.
Actually, depending on the situation, you could lose to an high RPI school and your RPI would still benefit.

[TNMSUFAN]

Wichita State and Illinois State are paying the price for poor scheduling.
The other teams like SIU, Evansville, MSU, and Drake wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid anyway, but their poor scheduling hurt the league.

I agree that each school needs to worry just about themselves, but it doesn't hurt to try to shame the others into trying to schedule a little better.

The Bears were hurt by the Hispanic College Fund tournament they got into 2 years ago and the return BB game which we can't control. Besides that our non-con included Arkansas, Auburn, SLU, Tulsa, Air Force (MWC challenge) and Nevada (BB) which I would take just about any year. Next year we play in the preseason NIT in the Tennessee pod plus play Tulsa, OK State and SLU. Realtime has our SOS at 120.

[bigdaddystuck]

Understand the viewpoints on conference members scheduling. IMO we need to worry about the ability of the team we are putting on the floor. Doesn't matter how we schedule if we dont win a lot more. We need to have balance in the schedule. WSU is a perfect example, they had the # of wins to get a look, but their schedule was too weak. They add 2 upper mid-majors and win those games, they are in this year. They had no balance...no middle ground.

[MacabreMob]

Actually, depending on the situation, you could lose to an high RPI school and your RPI would still benefit.

It's true and it happens all the time.

[MacabreMob]

Realtime has our SOS at 120.

From Jerry Palm's www.collegerpi.com:

Mo St's SOS is 120.

Mo St's Non-Con SOS is 247

[TNMSUFAN]

From Jerry Palm's www.collegerpi.com:

Mo St's SOS is 120.

Mo St's Non-Con SOS is 247

Gotcha...like I said that tournament and return BracketBusters flat killed us in the non-con

[Braveman]

I think we need to concentrate on getting Bradley on track instead of worrying about what the other schools are doing, when BU starts getting into the championship game multiple times then we can worry about some other teams schedule and how it effects us.

This was my point- rather than blame other schools- we schedule well, WIN, and lobby the conference to hold other's feet to the fire as well, WIN...

[Braveman]

Braveman, how the other Valley teams schedule does affect us:. If they have a low SOS, that will weigh heavily on theirr RPI.
Thus when we play them, win or lose, we will have our RPI affected negatively.
That is why, before The Valley season began, we had a pretty good SOS, but once we started playing in conference it fell all the way to 147.
Actually, depending on the situation, you could lose to an high RPI school and your RPI would still benefit.

I Understand it affects other teams- but since we were a maddening 16-15, it makes no difference... We cannot control how anyone schedule but us, so whining about ISU and others on a message board does nothing...

[SFP]

The bad overall SOS for the Valley quite possibly cost the conference $1 million. If that does not hurt us a little I guess we are doing pretty well financially as a program. WSU had no chance of making the dance unless they won yesterday and we can point to the SOS as part of that equation. Yes winning can cure the SOS dilemma but going forward it is in the best interest of the whole Valley to make sure we never have to worry about it. For the individual schools, it probably is not a big deal but for the conference and 1-2 teams it is huge. There really should be no argument about this

[SaintLouBrave22]

Props to Doug Elgin for admitting his mistakes.

Now if he only admitted his faults and how embarrassing the Valley officiating has been

[Da Coach]

Speaking of officiating- I thought the officiating at the MVC tournament was outstanding! They had mostly the veteran officials working the tournament, and the games were called differently than most of the games during the season. They didn't call the ticky-tack fouls, they never called any carrying the balls, and only a rare moving screen, and didn't call any of the notorious MVC charging fouls under the basket that we always see so much of.
And there were no fishy late-game clock malfunctions, or suspicious calls.

Great job by the officials this year.
So if they can get good officiating in the MVCT, hopefully we can get it during the regular season.

[BUfan14]

Speaking of officiating- I thought the officiating at the MVC tournament was outstanding! They had mostly the veteran officials working the tournament, and the games were called differently than most of the games during the season. They didn't call the ticky-tack fouls, they never called any carrying the balls, and only a rare moving screen, and didn't call any of the notorious MVC charging fouls under the basket that we always see so much of.
And there were no fishy late-game clock malfunctions, or suspicious calls.

Great job by the officials this year.
So if they can get good officiating in the MVCT, hopefully we can get it during the regular season.

Ya come to think of it, I watched every game except the play in games cause they weren't on tv, but I don't remember the officials at all which is good. I thought the flow of the games was better than the regular season games because all the stupid little calls weren't in there like the unnecessary charges you spoke of. Always good when the officials go unnoticed, nice job.