Dave Reynolds....Will Bradley keep playing?

[dogsrus]

BradleyBrave, I usually respect your opinions. But this one is quite a stretch.
To take a few random opinions by fans that do not attack anyone specific, and compare them to the vitriolic hatred constantly directed toward JL and the Bradley program is ridiculous. If anyone needs examples of this negativism and hatred, let me know, but it is undeniable that there are a few people who have this irrational disdain for JL.
The only hatred I see is on the side of the BU-haters and the Jim Les-haters, who love to wallow in misery, and see nothing positive about the BU program.

NOT a stretch at all...it all comes down to what side of the fence you are on. I know MANY that have been insulted with those exact comments and feelings that bradleybrave is talking about. MYSELF being one of them. I have heard it numerous times from many posters on this board that they too feel insulted but just shrug it off. Because, like he said, its comes from a SMALL vocal minority.....

On the FLIP side you have heard the same type of stuff directed at JL but it comes from an equally small minority and quite frankly we hardly EVER hear that stuff becuase you do a real good job of deleting TRUE haters. ANd by TRUE haters I'm not talking about people that simply disagree with you that JL and BU are headed in the right direction.

Those that bradleybravce mentioned are allowed to continue, which is fine, your baord your rules, but those that are TRUE haters are axed....which is great becuase they bring NOTHING to the table.

Not trying to be critical are argumentative. Just trying to shed some light on what many "others" see and feel that may not be in the same corner YOU are. Again your board your rules but it does seem a tad bit "unfair" that guys like myself can be belittled and targeted as NOT being a true fan just because I'm not happy with the state of the program.

In the end it really doesn't matter what anyone says or thinks about me becuase I KNOW I'm as big a BU fan as anybody out there...sometimes to a fault. I will enjoy the programs succes but I'm NOT afraid to speak out when I think we are NOT performing up to MY standards. IF that makes me a hater or not a true fan, fine, but thats someone elses problem, not mine.

JMHO.....

[tornado]

people have a right to be haters, and I will even defend their right...but what all too often happens is that people who are haters
masquerade as "loyal fans" and then follow an agenda and try to proselytize and sway the opinions of others
..oddly they also seem to turn on others who are undeniably loyal fans, and label them as the problem for the "situation" the program is in!

[Da Coach]

But DC...do they post here? I don't believe so. Even on the PJ star board their are several posters like SRW, Braves12, Squirrel, Imnotfanenough, tribecalledquest etc., that are outspoken about what THEY feel is a BU program that is heading in the wrong direction but I know for a FACT that not a single one of them HATES JL.

The regulars here like bradleybrave, St louis brave...myself just want an open honest exchange of opinions but everytime the word "hater" comes up, at least for me, I feel like its directed at me.

Pesonally I know of nobody that HATES JL. I'm sure they are out there but I just don't here them. I think theres a strong difference between being unhappy with JL and the program and outright HATE for the guy. Thats the distinction that needs to be made.

If there ARE guys that post that are simply JL haters I'm confident they get deleted...I gues MY point is WHY give them the time of day or talk abou them. The regulars on here may be on opposite ends of personal opinions about JL and BU but why recognize or mention that 1% that we never even really here from?

DRU, they have tried to post their irrational hate-filled stuff here, but we don't allow such mindless attacks. So, yes, the worst of the BU-haters and JL-haters inhabit another forum. But there are haters out there. I have never suggested you, BB, or most of the others you listed are among those, but we have people here pretending they don't exist. They do.
I have never been opposed to expressing intelligent opinions about the state of BU basketball. But to remind everyone, this forum was created solely because the only other forum for BU fans prior to 2005 had degenerated into constant name-calling and viscious attacks directed at Bradley, Jim Les, and others at BU. If those people who were calling for JL to be fired then had gotten their way, the Sweet 16 season would never have happened. Some of us fans were so sick of that negative stuff that we created this forum as a pro-BU forum for the enjoyment of fans. And I don't know too many fans who enjoy the negativity and constant name-calling and attacks.

I still see a program on the rise, 5 consecutive winning seasons despite injuries to more key players than any other team has suffered, 5 consecutive finishes in the upper half of the MVC, more wins in the past 5 years than all but 1 or 2 other MVC teams, and many more positives I'll spare you from. I don't think the program is as derelict as some people try to pretend it is, and next year should be great.
So I will continue to point out that people have a clear choice. If anyone wants to harp on the negatives and practice the name-calling and attacks on the coaches and players, it will not be tolerated here.

[Da Coach]

You met me in St Louis You seen where I sat, not cheep and had to hear me Maybe you should ask Big Mike if I am any where close to any of what you have labeled me. I am no hater just someone who wants the program to be the best Those our my opinions, friend. I respect yours Why not mind I think we want the same thing Oh, where did BB call me a hater

OOB, I know you aren't.

Nice meeting you!

[dogsrus]

I contend that it is essentially impossible for you to KNOW this...all you might know is what your conclusions are about what they've said..
but some people (and from your statements, I guess then you'd be surprised at whom) have PM'ed me with pretty clear-cut statements
defining that they do have incredibly strong and hateful feeling toward BU and JL, so I guess it's all in what we use as our evidence...

And I recived PM's from those SAME people telling me otherwise. Who is telling the truth?

The point is what isn't said publically means nothing to anyone. ANYONE can make a claim to help strenghten their case or weakens someone elses.

The point is I'm only interested in the regular posters that put there opines out there for me to see/read.

Of THOSE people, the regulars, I can say with almost 100% certainty, not a SINGLE one hates JL.

About 5 have just said so in NO unspecific terms......

What people PM you, me or anyone else means nothing and is simply heresay unless posted publically for all to here/see. I could se me taking the "private PM" approach before a court and saying, "no really judge, all these people PM'd me a told me this guy REALLY did it."

[tornado]

so you think it is just as reasonable that loyal fans are masquerading as haters, as I believe there are haters trying to masquerade as "loyal fans"??
I hope you can see the preposterousness of that argument...

[dogsrus]

[QUOTE=Da Coach;172773]DRU, they have tried to post their irrational hate-filled stuff here, but we don't allow such mindless attacks.


Great..so WHY bring it up at all ? The posters on here that don't agree with your assesment of the program aren't the haters. You axe them like you just said.

The ones that remain LOVE BU, LIKE JL as a man, respect him as a person, hardworker and loyal BU guy.

They simply have opposing views. But yet time and time again, when a discussion is going on it turns into "your not a true fan because you don't donate money, you sit in the upper bowl, you aren't happy with 5th place and your not happy with no championships" and unfortunatley the guy that takes the most blame, and quite frankly should, is JL.

Again, its your board....I just get as tired of being called NOT a true fan as you do hearing our complaints. I guess if I don't like it I can go elsewhere.

[tornado]

I just get as tired of being called NOT a true fan...

can you give even ONE example, no matter how tiny that calls you "not a true fan"?
methinks thou dost protest too much....

Da Coach is discussing the presence or lack thereof of people who are anti-BU....can he discuss a topic without you concluding you are one of them?

[dogsrus]

so you think it is just as reasonable that loyal fans are masquerading as haters, as I believe there are haters trying to masquerade as "loyal fans"??
I hope you can see the preposterousness of that argument...

Quite frankly I have no idea what that even means. My mind doesn't work that way.

I ONLY know that I speak with MANY of these posters that share my opinon about the program and they DON"T hate JL. PERIOD.

But i appreciate you calling my argument "preposterous"......thats exactly what bradleybrave is talking about.

So it goes......

I'm out.

[dogsrus]

[QUOTE=tornado;172786]can you give even ONE example, no matter how tiny that calls you "not a true fan"?



I have recieved numerous of PM's telling me that........

[tornado]

then take it up with the people who PM you and tell you that but don't rip on Da Coach who I suppose is NOT one of those who have PM'ed you and told you that
nor claim that it is happening on this board when it IS NOT!!!
Maybe you need to ask yourself as well why are people PMing you and asking you about that??

[Da Coach]

DRU, they have tried to post their irrational hate-filled stuff here, but we don't allow such mindless attacks....

Great..so WHY bring it up at all ?......

Because they do exist. I guess I am just not into pretending they don't. We deal with on a daily basis here.

[lefty]

I gotta feeling the definition of haters is different for many posters here.

It seems to happen when someone says something about JL....and the a defense comes next...and after a couple of rebuttels....boom...you have a hater.......

After reading this thread I realize it's 7 minutes of my life I won't get back

[jasonpeoria911]

Is this going to be another 10 page thread on Les Haters vs middlers to Les Lovers LOL. It seems like every other day that we have a new bicker thread on this.

Jason

[dogsrus]

then take it up with the people who PM you and tell you that but don't rip on Da Coach who I suppose is NOT one of those who have PM'ed you and told you that
nor claim that it is happening on this board when it IS NOT!!!
Maybe you need to ask yourself as well why are people PMing you and asking you about that??

I don't "rip" anyone. Can you say the same thing? Never called someones argument preposterous. Never called someone less then a true fan because they oppose my view. Never bregrudged anyone from thinking all is well with BU by calling them a koolaid drinker.

And in response to the PM thing...... why don't you do the same with those you claim are JL haters....becuase AGAIN, the regulars on this board or NOT haters and are INDEED true fans allthough they are constantly reminded, by a few, that they are not.

IF you are dealing with haters in private keep it so. Respect those that don't feel the need to send PM's and instead let there feelings be known in an open and public way in an honest yet NON hateful way.