Braves Done

[Bravesfan]

You're both right. . .but it depends on the tourney.

The CIT is more concerned with appropriate seeding than the CBI. But not all the schools are willing to pay to host. So that plays a role in how the pairings and brackets are determined.

Thanks! I stand corrected.

[SFP]

Yes it was disappointing, watching this game, from a bar, by myself, nursing the mother of all hangovers (Can someone remind me not to do shots ever ever again? What was I thinking? I guess I was not!).

I like the offensive sets UNI ran on us! Their O ran better when their big was on the bench. It look like the flex but a little different with their shooter running around screens. I'd be surprised to see Ben Jacobson coaching at UNI next season. Someone will offer him a boat load of money.

We may have played some terrible ball today but lets give UNI credit for taking us out of our game. I like how solid they played very precise determined ball. I hope our guys learned something from this game.

[bigjimmy]

One of the more disappointing games this year. This is a perfect example of what happens when a more physical team is allowed to be more physical because we just don't respond well to it. It's one thing to play well and lose. It's another to play like we did today. I'm sick and tired of coming down to St. Louis and not come back home with the championship. With the talent we've got coming back there's no excuse not to win it. It's time. It's beyond time.

[TNel]

Please, please, please. Find a 5 for next year. Someone. Anyone. Will is a talent, but he never will be a five. He's a wasted talent at the 5. I feel sorry for him for what he's had to go through this year, playing out of positiion. Fix that position and everything else will fall in place.

[Grassman]

Bradley returns more scoring next year than any team except maybe a couple of the bottom dwellers.
A starting lineup with Sammy, TB, AW, and Will, Dodie Dunson, and maybe another big man recruit, along with Jordan Prosser, DSE, Jake, and AT will dominate this league next year.
UNI is good, but they are not that good. BU should have beaten them twice this year, and the one factor that hurt us today, their size, will be gone next year.

Anyone who thinks Bradley lacks talent to compete in the MVC next year is not paying attention or trying to start up the BU-bashing again.

The only player Wichita St. Loses is, Clevon Hannah! EVERYBODY else is back.
With Williams, who looked very good yesterday, to replace Hannah, the Shockers will be even better next year. They will contend for The Valley again, as should we, if we get a true 5. who is game ready from day #1.

[Da Coach]

The only player Wichita St. Loses is, Clevon Hannah! EVERYBODY else is back.
With Williams, who looked very good yesterday, to replace Hannah, the Shockers will be even better next year. They will contend for The Valley again, as should we, if we get a true 5. who is game ready from day #1.

But Hannah is Wichita State's leading scorer and their leading assist guy. He is tops in the MVC in assist to tuenover ratio.
His 42.7% three point percentage is also, by far, the best three point average on the team, and 2nd best in the MVC. Nobody else is over 37.9%. And his 91.4% free throw percentage was also the league's best.
So Wichita loses a lot in Hannah. They lose more scoring than Bradley does, plus they lose their team leader and best shooter.

Bradley loses only Chris Roberts (9.2 ppg) and Sam Singh (1.7 ppg)- a total of 10.9 ppg lost.
However, Bradley gets back Dodie Dunson who averaged 10.1 ppg as a junior. So the scoring loss is negligible.

[JMM28]

But Hannah is Wichita State's leading scorer and their leading assist guy. He is tops in the MVC in assist to tuenover ratio.
His 42.7% three point percentage is also, by far, the best three point average on the team, and 2nd best in the MVC. Nobody else is over 37.9%. And his 91.4% free throw percentage was also the league's best.
So Wichita loses a lot in Hannah. They lose more scoring than Bradley does, plus they lose their team leader and best shooter.

Bradley loses only Chris Roberts (9.2 ppg) and Sam Singh (1.7 ppg)- a total of 10.9 ppg lost.
However, Bradley gets back Dodie Dunson who averaged 10.1 ppg as a junior. So the scoring loss is negligible.

I think based on past years we realize that "returning scoring" is a negligible statistic.

Our best year in the post-s16 era was the year we were supposed to be terrible after losing Cellus, POB, etc.

Although, that was also the last year we changed our system to match our personnel.

I think it is about development in the offseason.

[Braves4Life]

But Hannah is Wichita State's leading scorer and their leading assist guy. He is tops in the MVC in assist to tuenover ratio.
His 42.7% three point percentage is also, by far, the best three point average on the team, and 2nd best in the MVC. Nobody else is over 37.9%. And his 91.4% free throw percentage was also the league's best.
So Wichita loses a lot in Hannah. They lose more scoring than Bradley does, plus they lose their team leader and best shooter.

Yes, but WSU brings back a developing 7-footer who I think will become a future NBA player (Stutz) as well as multiple BIG men. I also think Kenny Manigault will grow into the job of replacing Hannah. His assist to turnover ratio equals Hannah's from his junior year and I think he will develop into an All-MVC PG by the time he's done at WSU.

WSU will be a Top 25 team by the end of next year, IMO, and will easily be the Valley pre-season favorite.

[real fan]

Just got back from St.Louis , Taylor did not play much because of an injury which killed any chance we had at beating UNI, was really great to beat Creighton but until we get some inside presence we cannot compete for a title, all you have to do is look at how undersized we are against Wichita,ISU, Creighton and UNI , those 4 teams have good post players and we have a 4 trying to play center which is why Egolf is always in foul trouble. We have great talent returning but if we don"t get a good center we will not win a championship as our guys get worn down trying to play or defend against players much bigger.

[Bravesfan]

Just got back from St.Louis , Taylor did not play much because of an injury which killed any chance we had at beating UNI, was really great to beat Creighton but until we get some inside presence we cannot compete for a title, all you have to do is look at how undersized we are against Wichita,ISU, Creighton and UNI , those 4 teams have good post players and we have a 4 trying to play center which is why Egolf is always in foul trouble. We have great talent returning but if we don"t get a good center we will not win a championship as our guys get worn down trying to play or defend against players much bigger.

The good thing is that we had three wins against these teams (3-7). This shows that we have talent but if we get that center, we can be very, very hard to beat next year. Perhaps we could even be in at-large contention with Wichta St. and maybe a couple of other teams.

[wily coyote]

We do have talent returning, as someone has posted. But after watching the Tourney this weekend in St. Louie and this game today , I believe we need alot more then just a "5". The top 4 teams have good size, good shooters, youth that can play, and are well coached. A wise man said at the luncheon a few weeks ago, "if you don't get better you get passed" I see this league getting much better top to bottom. Are we going to join them in getting better or are we going to get passed? I'm not from Missouri but my Braves are going to have show me more then what I've seen. Go Braves

[Da Coach]

Yes, but WSU brings back a developing 7-footer who I think will become a future NBA player (Stutz) as well as multiple BIG men. I also think Kenny Manigault will grow into the job of replacing Hannah. His assist to turnover ratio equals Hannah's from his junior year and I think he will develop into an All-MVC PG by the time he's done at WSU.

WSU will be a Top 25 team by the end of next year, IMO, and will easily be the Valley pre-season favorite.

You don't mean this, do you?
Manigault was heralded as their point guard of the future before the season, but he hardly played over the last 2/3 of the season. He has only gotten into 7 games and only played a total of 29 minutes over WSU's final 25 games. There is talk he won't even be at Wichita State next year because Gregg Marshall preferred to use freshman Demetric Williams as the point guard backup to Hannah.
Williams, by the way, played fairly well in that role, but averaged more turnovers than assists, and averaged only 3.4 ppg.

[ph]

We do have talent returning, as someone has posted. But after watching the Tourney this weekend in St. Louie and this game today , I believe we need alot more then just a "5". The top 4 teams have good size, good shooters, youth that can play, and are well coached. A wise man said at the luncheon a few weeks ago, "if you don't get better you get passed" I see this league getting much better top to bottom. Are we going to join them in getting better or are we going to get passed? I'm not from Missouri but my Braves are going to have show me more then what I've seen. Go Braves

I'll still stand by our team's 1-4 as being as good, if not better, than any other 1-4 in the league.

We do need more than a 5. We also need to include that 5 with the other 4 in a way to get some easier points when the outside shot is not falling.

[BUfan14]

I'll still stand by our team's 1-4 as being as good, if not better, than any other 1-4 in the league.

We do need more than a 5. We also need to include that 5 with the other 4 in a way to get some easier points when the outside shot is not falling.

I think JP and WE can handle the 4, and maybe JW if he comes as well. Either way I think those first 2 can handle the 4 spot coupled with a capable 5.

[Braves4Life]

You don't mean this, do you?
Manigault was heralded as their point guard of the future before the season, but he hardly played over the last 2/3 of the season. He has only gotten into 7 games and only played a total of 29 minutes over WSU's final 25 games. There is talk he won't even be at Wichita State next year because Gregg Marshall preferred to use freshman Demetric Williams as the point guard backup to Hannah.
Williams, by the way, played fairly well in that role, but averaged more turnovers than assists, and averaged only 3.4 ppg.

Yes. By the end of next year WSU will be in the Top 25. Mark it and check it in a year (I'll just bring back my "eating crow" avatar ). If Manigault works on his shooting he'll be their man next year (kind of like our McCain). If someone is better than KM (Williams or someone else) and starts that is even better. WSU has all of the pieces in place to be Top 25 next year.