Is this BU's second worst decade ever?

[Chico]

Don't tell Coach Stowell that..... he thinks he's still the best coach ever at BU. Just listen to him every home game!

That's his opinion. Many on this board are critical of Coach Les's MVC record, however Coach Stowell had a below .500 record in his career.

[Chico]

Question for some of the long time fans on the board. --not meant to diminish DV in any way with this.. But didn't BU throw a lot more money into the program when DV was hired?

IMO, DV took more advantage of the money thrown at him.

[BradleyBrave]

That's his opinion. Many on this board are critical of Coach Les's MVC record, however Coach Stowell had a below .500 record in his career.

FYI...

Stowell - 91-93 in 13 seasons in MVC play, with 3 2nd place finishes. 197-147 overall (.573)

Versace - 97-49 in 8 seasons in MVC play, with 3 1st place finishes, 156-88 overall (.639)

Albeck - 44-34 in 5 seasons in MVC play, 1 1st, 1 2nd, 75-71 overall (.514)

Molinari - 114-92 in 11 seasons in MVC play, 1 1st place, 3 2nd place, 174-152 overall (.534)

Les - 70-74 in 8 seasons in MVC play, with 0 top 3 finishes, 139-118 overall (.541)

[flipper]

why are we starting threads like this? our mission statement is to support bu basketball. seems like a negative thread.

[BradleyBrave]

why are we starting threads like this? our mission statement is to support bu basketball. seems like a negative thread.

We all support BU hoops. The only message I see is that this decade was not one of our better ones overall. We had two coaches this decade so it's not just a 'bash the coach' thread. I think DC put it perfectly in the 2nd post in this thread.

[bigdaddystuck]

Some good thoughts here...

I agree that the program is not where we want it.

I would argue about the 20 win seasons. We got lucky that a couple of lesser tourneys were created to allow us to reach those marks. Granted they were wins against real competition, but I dont think they mean the same as a 20 win regular season...or even 20 wins after the valley tourney. If these tourneys were around in the last 30 years, and meant that much, then the current staff probably wouldn't be here.

[TheAsianSensation]

You know, first thought I had was.....there's been some pretty good decades, you know. Besides, comparing eras in college basketball these days is sort of pointless as the structure of the game has changed so much. So whatever.

[BradleyBrave]

You know, first thought I had was.....there's been some pretty good decades, you know. Besides, comparing eras in college basketball these days is sort of pointless as the structure of the game has changed so much. So whatever.

On a national level perhaps, but it's not pointless comparing eras relative to the conference you play in and how you fare in your league. If the league has changed so much that we can't compete anymore, then we shouldn't be in the MVC. You know as well as I do that it isn't the case.

[squirrelgotdead]

Some good thoughts here...

I agree that the program is not where we want it.

I would argue about the 20 win seasons. We got lucky that a couple of lesser tourneys were created to allow us to reach those marks. Granted they were wins against real competition, but I dont think they mean the same as a 20 win regular season...or even 20 wins after the valley tourney. If these tourneys were around in the last 30 years, and meant that much, then the current staff probably wouldn't be here.

This is a good point, and in the efforts of keeping this conversation "rational" the 20-win season used to mean something when referencing the regular season, much the same that a 22-win regular season means something now since all teams can participate in non-exempt tournaments every year, so all teams are, on average, playing about 3 more games each year.

Bradley's win totals reaching those marks the previous four seasons all required postseason wins to get there.

[srw]

5 straight winning seasons
5 straight seasons finishing in the upper half of the MVC
Over 100 games won in these last 5 seasons, and this season is not yet complete.
RPI the last 5 seasons- 33, 38, 105, 98, 108.

Let's make this a rational discussion, and not just another vehicle for the irrational bashing of Bradley. This program has not reached the levels we expect, but it is not the failure that some would like to persuade us. I am not sure you can compare decades so easily, especially since some of the worst phases in Bradley's history overlapped decades. But under Jim Les we have seen nothing that comes close to the futility of 3 straight 20 loss seasons at the end of the Albeck era and the beginning of the Mo era. And the 70's were horrible, too.
Thanks to Dick Versace for rescuing Bradley from the abyss the program was clearly headed to then.

I think the 5 straight seasons in the top half of the league is the most compelling argument here, but certainly the 90's produced close to that if not the same.

The RPI of the first two years in that list was telling too..as was the dropoff since.

On the three straight years, they came and the end of a decade and a beginning of another, so that was a relatively short, terrible stretch.

[Chico]

FYI...

Stowell - 91-93 in 13 seasons in MVC play, with 3 2nd place finishes. 197-147 overall (.573)

Versace - 97-49 in 8 seasons in MVC play, with 3 1st place finishes, 156-88 overall (.639)

Albeck - 44-34 in 5 seasons in MVC play, 1 1st, 1 2nd, 75-71 overall (.514)

Molinari - 114-92 in 11 seasons in MVC play, 1 1st place, 3 2nd place, 174-152 overall (.534)

Les - 70-74 in 8 seasons in MVC play, with 0 top 3 finishes, 139-118 overall (.541)

A lot can happen in 5 seasons and probably will, for the better.

[BradleyBrave]

A lot can happen in 5 seasons and probably will, for the better.

Not sure what that means. If it means that you think 5 more years of this will somehow yield desired results, I would respectfully disagree and say there's little evidence to support that. But I guess it depends what your standards of success are.

[SFP]

Another thread that is just bashing the current regime. Please come with something unique. BORING!!!

[BradleyBrave]

Another thread that is just bashing the current regime. Please come with something unique. BORING!!!

How is it bashing the current regime? It's a commentary on the decade, and Coach Mo was responsible for 2 of those years.

Ironically Mo has the best and worst conference finishes of the decade.

[srw]

Not sure what that means. If it means that you think 5 more years of this will somehow yield desired results, I would respectfully disagree and say there's little evidence to support that. But I guess it depends what your standards of success are.

There have been a number of posts tonight that I completely didn't understand.

Didn't know if I agreed with them or disagreed with them.