UNI in trouble??

[MacabreMob]

... A win on Saturday at UNI, and we finish 2nd. Not too bad for a team that only returned 51% of their scoring from last season.

I expect UNI to roll over and play dead.... letting the Birds get that win on Saturday.

[tornado]

..Not too bad for a team that only returned 51% of their scoring from last season.

ditto for BU, except by my calcultions BU returned 52% and had to face a far tougher schedule

[chitown fanatic]

If Uni beats ISU on Saturday, they will be 9-1 against top 100. Discussion over. Uni doesn't have to win another game. they're in. I'll repeat...9-1 vs top 100. RPI in the mid 20's with a 1st round loss to salukis.

[bigdaddystuck]

ditto for BU, except by my calcultions BU returned 52% and had to face a far tougher schedule

Doesn't everyone in the Valley play the same schedule for the conference?

[shaunguth]

If Uni beats ISU on Saturday, they will be 9-1 against top 100. Discussion over. Uni doesn't have to win another game. they're in. I'll repeat...9-1 vs top 100. RPI in the mid 20's with a 1st round loss to salukis.

And IF they lose their next two games I'm not believing it's so cut and dry. I'll stand by my statement that it will be a VERY long week for UNI before the selections are announced.

[cpacmel]

ditto for BU, except by my calcultions BU returned 52% and had to face a far tougher schedule

. A win on Saturday at UNI, and we finish 2nd. Not too bad for a team that only returned 51% of their scoring from last season.

According to DaCoach, Bradley returned 74.7% not 52%. And I don't believe that includes Andrew Warren either.

http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=141066

The amount of returning scoring is usually a factor that determines how well a team does.
Here are the numbers for the amount of returning scoring for each team in the MVC-

Bradley- last season- 67.1 ppg- returning 50.1 ppg- 74.7% (lost leading scorer)
Creighton- last season- 73.3 ppg- returning 50.7 ppg- 69.2% (lost leading scorer/POY)
Drake- last season 64.5 ppg- returning 30.9 ppg- 46.7% (lost 2nd & 3rd leading scorers)
Evansville- last season 67.1 ppg- returning 19.4 ppg- 28.9% (lost top 4 scorers)
IL State- last season 71.0 ppg- returning 36.4 ppg- 51.3% (lost leading scorer)
IN State- last season 63.1 ppg- returning 55.0 ppg- 87.2% (lost 2nd leading scorer)
MO State- last season 60.9 ppg- returning 35.8 ppg- 58.8% (lost leading scorer and 3 of top 4)
UNI- last season 67.4 ppg- returning 63.4 ppg- 92.4% (lost only 7th leading scorer)
So IL- last season 63.4 ppg- returning 36.5 ppg- 57.6% (lost 3rd & 4th leading scorers)
Wichita St- last season 62.9 ppg- returning 43.3 ppg- 68.8% (lost 4th & 5th leading scorers)

Additional notes-
Bradley also returns Andrew Warren who missed last season, but averaged 13.2 ppg in 2007-2008.
SIU adds Tony Freeman who lead Iowa in scoring in 2007-2008 with 13.8 ppg.
InSU might add Jake Kelly who lead Iowa in scoring in 2008-2009 with 11.6 ppg. No decision has been released by the NCAA on a waiver that could allow Kelly to play for Indiana State this season.
SIU's 3rd leading returning scorer, Ryan Hare, is suspended and charged with a felony. His return to the team is undetermined.

In order of highest to lowest returning scoring-
UNI..........92.4%
IN State...87.2%
Bradley.....74.7%
Creighton..69.2%
Wichita St.68.8%
MO State..58.8%
So IL........57.6%
IL State....51.3%
Drake.......46.7%
Evansville..28.9%

[cpacmel]

I expect UNI to roll over and play dead.... letting the Birds get that win on Saturday.

That would be nice. But I don't see it happening. Not on Senior Night. And certainly not after a loss to Evansville. Actually I don't see them ever rolling over as long as Jake is the coach.

[tornado]

the amount of scoring that returned with Dodie was used by Da Coach but now obviously has to be removed from the equation....or did you not know he is out for the season??
..also to be precise, you must use the actual points scored and not the ppg averages - reasons are obvious

anyway, I guess I am stumped as to why you cannot just do the calcualtions yourself and demonstrate some independent thinking?

[cpacmel]

the amount of scoring that returned with Dodie was used by Da Coach but now obviously has to be removed from the equation....or did you not know he is out for the season??
..also to be precise, you must use the actual points scored and not the ppg averages - reasons are obvious

anyway, I guess I am stumped as to why you cannot just do the calcualtions yourself and demonstrate some independent thinking?

Are you saying that DaCoach's calculations aren't correct?

And why would I or anyone re-calculate anything if the work was already done properly in the first place?

I trust DaCoach's ability to figure those things. Why should I question the way he does his calculations?

As far as your attempt to flame me with your independent thinking dig. As a moderator or former moderator or whatever your role is here, I thought you would be above making a post about a poster. Remember posts are supposed to be about opinions on topics and not about the posters themselves.

You can't have it both ways.

[ImAStowellMan]

Are you saying that DaCoach's calculations aren't correct?

And why would I or anyone re-calculate anything if the work was already done properly in the first place?

I trust DaCoach's ability to figure those things. Why should I question the way he does his calculations?

As far as your attempt to flame me with your independent thinking dig. As a moderator or former moderator or whatever your role is here, I thought you would be above making a post about a poster. Remember posts are supposed to be about opinions on topics and not about the posters themselves.

You can't have it both ways.

C'mon, man. His calculations were from Sept. 26, well before Dodie was out. He isn't incorrect, tornado isn't incorrect and neither is claiming that the other one is incorrect. I really don't see the point in looking for semantic loopholes in people's posts to show how smart and detail-oriented you are.

[Da Coach]

This discussion is really silly- cpacmel, if you want to try to spin things anti-Bradley, or anti-tornado, go ahead on your own board, but not here.
The projections were simply that- projections. Anyone trying to make more of this is just flaming.
Andrew Warren's averages from the 2007-2008 year were used in my calculations (not too hard to figure out, since it was noted in my original post), because he didn't play in 2008-2009, but if anyone esle wants to count it the other way, I have no problem with that. Stop trying to use 2 completely different situations to try to prove some inconsistency.

The other factor, obviously, is the absence of Dodie Dunson's numbers, which anyone in a preseason calculation would add, but which never materialized because of his injury. Why anyone would obfuscate this fact just to try to make some kind of irrational point against another poster is beyond me.

cpacmel, your type of flaming is not welcome here, and wouldn't last 2 seconds on the Redbird board if posted by a Bradley fan, and you know it.
No more warnings will be issued.

[TheAsianSensation]

Alright, everyone stop panicking.

Lunardi has UNI as a 7 seed.

7 seed.

If you think you can fall completely out of bracket from a 7 seed with 2 losses, you're insane in the membrane.

[Chuck885]

UNI not IN

Losing to Evansville and blown out by Bradley put them on the edge. IMO, they need to win at least 2 more games. If they lose at home to ISU, they need to get to the finals in the tournament.

[MacabreMob]

Alright, everyone stop panicking.

Lunardi has UNI as a 7 seed.

7 seed.

If you think you can fall completely out of bracket from a 7 seed with 2 losses, you're insane in the membrane.

Losing to Evansville and blown out by Bradley put them on the edge. IMO, they need to win at least 2 more games. If they lose at home to ISU, they need to get to the finals in the tournament.

Some people just can't seem to grasp it. After 73 posts in this thread.... wow.

[BradleyJD]

As far as your attempt to flame me with your independent thinking dig. As a moderator or former moderator or whatever your role is here, I thought you would be above making a post about a poster. Remember posts are supposed to be about opinions on topics and not about the posters themselves.

You can't have it both ways.

I will agree with you on this point.

I think there is too much in-fighting on here lately. Can't we just let people post there OPINIONS without attacking them?