Anyone watch UCLA last night?

[tornado]

UCLA played Washington...and I didn't think Washington played especially well...a lot of the game was just garbage time with no-name scrubs,
but Washington had a 23 point halftime lead and cruised over UCLA with leads of 20-30 pts.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/02/ucla-basketball-huskies-give-29point-beating-to-bruins.html

UCLA is a bad mid-major...seriously!!

it is truly hard to believe that they have 7 Top 100 players on their roster (two players are 5-Star players and two more are Top 50)
and a full 13 players are top 150!!
how can a coach like Ben Howland not get this team to win?

Same goes for UNC - how can all those McD AA'a play so bad? (or are they coached bad?)

[Braves4Life]

Same goes for UNC - how can all those McD AA'a play so bad? (or are they coached bad?)

When you have no beef in the middle, a weak point guard, more injuries in one season than BU has had in the last 3 or 4 years combined, and play in one of the top conferences in America it is not too hard to see this happen. I have no doubt that UNC will be back stronger than ever next year. Roy has proven over 20+ years that he knows how to coach.

[afan]

you are right tornado

UCLA played Washington...and I didn't think Washington played especially well...a lot of the game was just garbage time with no-name scrubs,
but Washington had a 23 point halftime lead and cruised over UCLA with leads of 20-30 pts.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/02/ucla-basketball-huskies-give-29point-beating-to-bruins.html

UCLA is a bad mid-major...seriously!!

it is truly hard to believe that they have 7 Top 100 players on their roster (two players are 5-Star players and two more are Top 50)
and a full 13 players are top 150!!
how can a coach like Ben Howland not get this team to win?

Same goes for UNC - how can all those McD AA'a play so bad? (or are they coached bad?)

Have you read my posts? I have been saying it all along...How good are these "hall of fame" coaches when they have to coach what apparently are midmajor talented basketball players (who are actually 100% McDonald All Americans and 5 star players)? I know that it also about chemistry, etc, however, ALL these players are 5 star? Even as freshman 5 star players are supposed to dominate, right? (look at Wall of Kentucky). Williams knew ahead of time that his top players were going pro. Did he prepare? Apparently not. One of NC's losses was to a 200+ RPI team.What is the NC Fan board saying?

[AZ BU Fan]

Apparently, like BU, UCLA and UNC don't have enough talent this year to compete with the talent the teams they play against have.

If UCLA and UNC tank/stumble 3 years in a row, or 7 out of 8, like BU has, I suppose I could support an opinion that the coaches should be held accountable...either poor coaching or poor recruiting....

On a positive note, with UCLA and UNC apparently on the outs for the NCAA, and maybe even the NIT, it opens up slots for a successful Mid Major this year, like WSU or ISU, to get a sniff at the Dance or NIT.

[Tulsa Brave]

UCLA played Washington...and I didn't think Washington played especially well...a lot of the game was just garbage time with no-name scrubs,
but Washington had a 23 point halftime lead and cruised over UCLA with leads of 20-30 pts.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/02/ucla-basketball-huskies-give-29point-beating-to-bruins.html

UCLA is a bad mid-major...seriously!!

it is truly hard to believe that they have 7 Top 100 players on their roster (two players are 5-Star players and two more are Top 50)
and a full 13 players are top 150!!
how can a coach like Ben Howland not get this team to win?

Same goes for UNC - how can all those McD AA'a play so bad? (or are they coached bad?)

I watched them play at Washington State Thursday night...they looked like world-beaters. Just like Bradley, they are a total jeckyl and hyde team, and you never know what you are going to get from UCLA each night. UCLA pretty much named their score at WSU Thursday night, and USC won at Washington. Then Saturday, USC lost at WSU and UCLA got crushed at Washington. You never know what you are going to get from one night to the next with them.

[dogsrus]

Apparently, like BU, UCLA and UNC don't have enough talent this year to compete with the talent the teams they play against have.

If UCLA and UNC tank/stumble 3 years in a row, or 7 out of 8, like BU has, I suppose I could support an opinion that the coaches should be held accountable...either poor coaching or poor recruiting....

On a positive note, with UCLA and UNC apparently on the outs for the NCAA, and maybe even the NIT, it opens up slots for a successful Mid Major this year, like WSU or ISU, to get a sniff at the Dance or NIT.

Yes...any day Roy or Ben want to take the BU job I'll be the first to say welcome. I think BOTH these guys have solid resumes that kinda speak for themselves.

[SFP]

I'd take Ben in a heart beat! Roy I just hate the way he whines. He also looks to much like Deputy Dog!

[tornado]

this story says there was some turmoil on the coaching staff at UCLA that helped create some of their problems this year...

http://www.bruinsnation.com/2010/4/12/1417560/thoughts-and-info-on-coaching

One assistant was asked to leave...
so now UCLA coach Ben Howland needs to fill a coaching vacancy, and he's set to pick the father of one of his top recruiting targets...sound familiar??

one other candidate is the old Kelvin Sampson assistant who has a track record of more NCAA violations than just about anyone else, Ray Lopes..
but holding true to Royce Waltman's words...it doesn't matter how much you cheat - you'll always get hired again...

[afan]

When you have no beef in the middle, a weak point guard, more injuries in one season than BU has had in the last 3 or 4 years combined, and play in one of the top conferences in America it is not too hard to see this happen. I have no doubt that UNC will be back stronger than ever next year. Roy has proven over 20+ years that he knows how to coach.

Iregardless..Roy had 7 McDonald All americans all healthy at one time ready to play. Most every school would die for one McDonald all american..As far as no beef in the middle, a weak point guard..sounds like poor recruiting by the head coach to me. A good coach can't get results with 7 McDonald all americans??? Come on......The ACC wasn't all that tough top to bottom this year..even Duke had the easiest draw for a 1 seed in the tourney. I question how good a coach Roy Williams is today, especially if he had to coach mid-major caliber players.

[CABUFan]

this story says there was some turmoil on the coaching staff at UCLA that helped create some of their problems this year...

http://www.bruinsnation.com/2010/4/12/1417560/thoughts-and-info-on-coaching

One assistant was asked to leave...
so now UCLA coach Ben Howland needs to fill a coaching vacancy, and he's set to pick the father of one of his top recruiting targets...sound familiar??

[/B]

Where's the evidence that the son is one of Howland's top recruiting targets? The kid is a class of 2013 prospect, who doesn't appear to be particularly highly rated as far as I can tell. Moreover, the father has prior DI head and assistant coaching experience. I don't see anything to support the suggestion that this is another situation in which a job is given to someone close to a prospect in order to sign the prospect.

[Braves4Life]

I question how good a coach Roy Williams is today, especially if he had to coach mid-major caliber players.

You're probably right. Roy's probably not a very good coach and may have lost a step.....

Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Kansas (Big Eight Conference) (1988??“1996)
1988??“1989 Kansas 19??“12 6??“8 6th Ineligible due to NCAA violations
1989??“1990 Kansas 30??“5 11??“3 T-2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1990??“1991 Kansas 27??“8 10??“4 T-1st NCAA Runner-Up
1991??“1992 Kansas 27??“5 11??“3 1st NCAA 2nd Round
1992??“1993 Kansas 29??“7 11??“3 1st NCAA Final Four
1993??“1994 Kansas 27??“8 9??“5 3rd NCAA Sweet 16
1994??“1995 Kansas 25??“6 11??“3 1st NCAA Sweet 16
1995??“1996 Kansas 29??“5 12??“2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
Kansas: 213-56 81-31
Kansas (Big 12 Conference) (1996??“2003)
1996??“1997 Kansas 34??“2 15??“1 1st NCAA Sweet 16
1997??“1998 Kansas 35??“4 15??“1 1st NCAA 2nd Round
1998??“1999 Kansas 23??“10 11??“5 T-2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1999??“2000 Kansas 24??“10 11??“5 5th NCAA 2nd Round
2000??“2001 Kansas 26??“7 12??“4 T-2nd NCAA Sweet 16
2001??“2002 Kansas 33??“4 16??“0 1st NCAA Final Four
2002??“2003 Kansas 30??“8 14??“2 1st NCAA Runner-Up
Kansas: 205-45 94-18
Kansas: 418??“101 175??“49
North Carolina (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2003??“present)
2003??“2004 North Carolina 19??“11 8??“8 6th NCAA 2nd Round
2004??“2005 North Carolina 33??“4 14??“2 1st NCAA Champions
2005??“2006 North Carolina 23??“8 12??“4 2nd NCAA 2nd Round
2006??“2007 North Carolina 31??“7 11??“5 T-1st NCAA Elite Eight
2007??“2008 North Carolina 36??“3 14??“2 1st NCAA Final Four
2008??“2009 North Carolina 34??“4 13??“3 1st NCAA Champions
2009??“2010 North Carolina 20??“17 5??“11 T-9th NIT Runner-Up
North Carolina: 196??“54 77??“35

Total: 614??“155


The guy's just a TERRIBLE coach.

[Future Walk-On]

You're probably right. Roy's probably not a very good coach and may have lost a step.....

Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Kansas (Big Eight Conference) (1988??“1996)
1988??“1989 Kansas 19??“12 6??“8 6th Ineligible due to NCAA violations
1989??“1990 Kansas 30??“5 11??“3 T-2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1990??“1991 Kansas 27??“8 10??“4 T-1st NCAA Runner-Up
1991??“1992 Kansas 27??“5 11??“3 1st NCAA 2nd Round
1992??“1993 Kansas 29??“7 11??“3 1st NCAA Final Four
1993??“1994 Kansas 27??“8 9??“5 3rd NCAA Sweet 16
1994??“1995 Kansas 25??“6 11??“3 1st NCAA Sweet 16
1995??“1996 Kansas 29??“5 12??“2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
Kansas: 213-56 81-31
Kansas (Big 12 Conference) (1996??“2003)
1996??“1997 Kansas 34??“2 15??“1 1st NCAA Sweet 16
1997??“1998 Kansas 35??“4 15??“1 1st NCAA 2nd Round
1998??“1999 Kansas 23??“10 11??“5 T-2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1999??“2000 Kansas 24??“10 11??“5 5th NCAA 2nd Round
2000??“2001 Kansas 26??“7 12??“4 T-2nd NCAA Sweet 16
2001??“2002 Kansas 33??“4 16??“0 1st NCAA Final Four
2002??“2003 Kansas 30??“8 14??“2 1st NCAA Runner-Up
Kansas: 205-45 94-18
Kansas: 418??“101 175??“49
North Carolina (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2003??“present)
2003??“2004 North Carolina 19??“11 8??“8 6th NCAA 2nd Round
2004??“2005 North Carolina 33??“4 14??“2 1st NCAA Champions
2005??“2006 North Carolina 23??“8 12??“4 2nd NCAA 2nd Round
2006??“2007 North Carolina 31??“7 11??“5 T-1st NCAA Elite Eight
2007??“2008 North Carolina 36??“3 14??“2 1st NCAA Final Four
2008??“2009 North Carolina 34??“4 13??“3 1st NCAA Champions
2009??“2010 North Carolina 20??“17 5??“11 T-9th NIT Runner-Up
North Carolina: 196??“54 77??“35

Total: 614??“155


The guy's just a TERRIBLE coach.

yeah. right! he only made the tourney 20 out of 22 years...embarassing

[amckillip]

You're probably right. Roy's probably not a very good coach and may have lost a step.....

Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Kansas (Big Eight Conference) (1988??“1996)
1988??“1989 Kansas 19??“12 6??“8 6th Ineligible due to NCAA violations
...
2009??“2010 North Carolina 20??“17 5??“11 T-9th NIT Runner-Up
North Carolina: 196??“54 77??“35

Total: 614??“155


The guy's just a TERRIBLE coach.

yeah. right! he only made the tourney 20 out of 22 years...embarassing

Yeah, it must be tough coaching at schools where you can practically have any player you want by leveraging someone else's success...

[Braves4Life]

Yeah, it must be tough coaching at schools where you can practically have any player you want by leveraging someone else's success...

Yes. It's too bad Bradley couldn't continue that after Forddy Anderson and AJ Robertson.....

Oh, and Roy DID inherit quite a legacy from Matt Doherty. Didn't he?

[amckillip]

Yes. It's too bad Bradley couldn't continue that after Forddy Anderson and AJ Robertson.....

Oh, and Roy DID inherit quite a legacy from Matt Doherty. Didn't he?

Yeah, must suck takin' over from a guy 2 years removed from a National Coach of the Year award...

Oh yeah, and being the assistant on a National Championship team the year before he took over at KU... after he got the job from his mentor who had to leave due to recruiting violations.

Yeah, rough going for Roy...