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[SaintLouBrave22]

Well until I hear someone is leaving beyond a rumor, I'm counting everyone as being here. And even if one or two do leave, I still think this team has enough pieces to still be a very good and deep team.

Yes, but isn't that what the consensus was coming into this year?


Until Les proves me wrong and decides to play more than 7 deep (10+ min) I will never consider any team we have deep....

He just doesn't know how to work with benches, substitution patterns, and keeping everyone in the game mentally and physically.

[LittleBrave]

We REALLY need 10 guys getting on the floor next season.
I can't wait to see Dodie next year and TB will be even better next year. Hopefully, he'll gain 15 lbs. or so in the offseason.
AW needs to make better choices offensively and get tougher defensively.
I hope to see EM have a breakthrough season next year as a backup to SM with some scoring punch.

NOW is the time to start getting these younger guys some P.T. (Eastman, Milos, EM (when healthy)) so they can play roles on next year's team.
I hope SS gets less than 10 minutes on Saturday in an almost meaningless game...well, I guess a win would get us closer to the CBI!
I just don't get AT and his lack of P.T.
I've seen him in a few games this year and he's looked better than SS.

[BUfan14]

Yes, but isn't that what the consensus was coming into this year?


Until Les proves me wrong and decides to play more than 7 deep (10+ min) I will never consider any team we have deep....

He just doesn't know how to work with benches, substitution patterns, and keeping everyone in the game mentally and physically.

We are not deep no doubt about it this year, but to say JL wouldn't play deep even if he had it is not true. In 05-06 we had depth so we played deep. We played DR, WF, TB, LW, MS, POB, JJ Tauai, ZA all significantly and DA, JC, and RB all got some significant minutes from time to time thoughout the year in games. A lot of guys got time and played that year because we had the ability to do so. Because of injuries and suspensions and whatever else we just haven't had that depth the last few year and that is why we haven't played it, not because JL wouldn't use it even if we did. Who can you argue should be getting significantly more minutes than they are right now?

[Buesch N Chips]

I think DSE handles his role off of the bench much better than Chris Roberts would.

[SaintLouBrave22]

We are not deep no doubt about it this year, but to say JL wouldn't play deep even if he had it is not true. In 05-06 we had depth so we played deep. We played DR, WF, TB, LW, MS, POB, JJ Tauai, ZA all significantly and DA, JC, and RB all got some significant minutes from time to time thoughout the year in games. A lot of guys got time and played that year because we had the ability to do so. Because of injuries and suspensions and whatever else we just haven't had that depth the last few year and that is why we haven't played it, not because JL wouldn't use it even if we did. Who can you argue should be getting significantly more minutes than they are right now?

Actually we didn't even that year...

Check the stats...We played 8 guys and then Adams played less than 10, Brown played less than 10, and Heemskerk played less than 10 a game...

Even after that, Jeremy played 15 a game, but barely played the last 1/2 of the season...


So really we once again only played 8 guys significant minutes...

[LittleBrave]

Whenever SS comes into the game, it just reminds me that we're not deep, especially in the frontcourt. We will not be solid next year if we don't get a big man (maybe a JUCO player) to spell TB and WE. I'm not sure how big of an adjustment JP will need to make, but I hope he's a nice surprise like DSE has been and is not soft. If we have an injury to one of our big men next year, we'll have our hands full.

[real fan]

I don't think everyone stays...


That is the real issue...

I agree because we lose players pretty much every year because of the lack of playing time.

[SFP]

We REALLY need 10 guys getting on the floor next season.

I agree with everything else but this line. the only way we ever go 10 deep is if this team becomes an in your face end line to end line defensive team. JL has never done that and I'm not sure if the starters have the stomach for it.

I think DSE handles his role off of the bench much better than Chris Roberts would.

It has nothing to do with who handles what off the bench better, it has to do with who deserves to start. CR came off the bench last year and did a great job. CR would be the first guy off the bench and inject some needed energy.

Another thing is that we still do not have a legitimate big IMHO. Next year's team will be better but without a true big we'll be marginally better. I also expect AW to be much improved next year with the ability work the ball a bit stronger inside. He's the defensive target out there and then SM is the next guy teams try to stop.

Also, for once SM looked inside during the pick and rolls and hit SS twice in a row. Imagine a big setting a pick and rolling to the basket and getting the ball. Get us a true big and we can have that working for us and that will leave WE open for some easy baskets from the weakside. Teams with a decent big right now can play us straight up. Being a guard league every team has decent fast guards that can D up and shoot.

[thefish7]

I'd like to see a DSE start, and we may...

Not sure who I'd sit... AW or CR being the candidates... I'd tend towards AW sitting at this point, based on comparative effort, though I think our offense may really suffer with that lineup. DSE, I think, will be a very good or even great player for us, but his outside shooting is streaky now so we'd be almost all slash with a SM, DSE, CR, TB, WE lineup.

Btw: My Ruffin avatar will finally be retired when I find a good DSE avatar... That's how much I like DSE's game.

[Braves4Life]

I think DSE is now ready to start. I would sit Roberts as he is strictly an athlete; DSE is an athlete and a player.

I would NOT like to see AW sit. I also think that with DSE and SM penetrating and kicking the ball back out that AW can find his game and consistency. However, I HAVE noticed that Chuck Buescher has been MUCH more critical of AW and, at times, seems genuinely upset, disappointed, and bitter with the kid. I also have noticed the same from Les during timeouts -- almost as if Big Bish has "poisoned" Les' ear. What do ya'll think?

[BUfan14]

Actually we didn't even that year...

Check the stats...We played 8 guys and then Adams played less than 10, Brown played less than 10, and Heemskerk played less than 10 a game...

Even after that, Jeremy played 15 a game, but barely played the last 1/2 of the season...


So really we once again only played 8 guys significant minutes...

8 guys playing significant minutes with a couple other guys also getting some minutes as well I would consider deep. I forgot about Heemskerk too. I don't think a good team plays more than 8 or 9 guys significant minutes. Starters need to get the most minutes, if they don't rhythms are thrown off, people get cold, I don't know I just wouldn't want that many playing. You always here teams that play more than that say they need to find a 8 or 9 man rotation to stick too. Playing too few guys isn't good, but neither is playing too many. I think an 8 or 9 man rotation is deep and effective.

[LittleBrave]

I have a feeling that Prosser will get good minutes next year, so he'd better be ready! I've never seen him play, but there's some hype about him.
If JP gives us more production than SS this year, we look decent on the inside.

[Buesch N Chips]

I have a feeling that Prosser will get good minutes next year, so he'd better be ready! I've never seen him play, but there's some hype about him.
If JP gives us more production than SS this year, we look decent on the inside.

As a high school player he really dominated. He was able to be the biggest player on the floor, and also be the best passer and pretty much one of the quickest guys to the other end. The problem is, he now has to do the same thing, and gain about 75 pounds. Skills wise, he can be the 5 we are looking for in terms of nose for the ball, passing ability, ability to finish around the basket. Very similar to the situation we have with Will. Hopefully he gains the weight to dominate in the paint for the next 4 years. In my opinion, I think any attempt to make him a perimeter player will fail.

[SaintLouBrave22]

8 guys playing significant minutes with a couple other guys also getting some minutes as well I would consider deep. I forgot about Heemskerk too. I don't think a good team plays more than 8 or 9 guys significant minutes. Starters need to get the most minutes, if they don't rhythms are thrown off, people get cold, I don't know I just wouldn't want that many playing. You always here teams that play more than that say they need to find a 8 or 9 man rotation to stick too. Playing too few guys isn't good, but neither is playing too many. I think an 8 or 9 man rotation is deep and effective.

I hate to keep throwing it back to comparisons to Creighton, but in their tournament championship seasons, at times they were playing 12 guys...

And I believe their 9th man actually won a tournament MOP award (Motz)

[BUfan14]

I hate to keep throwing it back to comparisons to Creighton, but in their tournament championship seasons, at times they were playing 12 guys...

And I believe their 9th man actually won a tournament MOP award (Motz)

Well I've looked up the tournament stats for the last 3 tournament championship years for Creighton. 8 guys played more than 10 minutes with a ninth guy getting about 5 to 9 minutes with 1 more getting 3-4 in all 3 years. Only 10 men played with only 8 getting significant minutes. In the regular season in 04-05 for Creighton they played 8-9 guys significantly in every box score I've looked at, and only 10 guys total still. I'm not sure were your getting your numbers. Also Motz played the most minutes of anyone off the bench in the tourny in 2005 for Creighton.

And even if it were true, I strongly disagree with a 12 man rotation as being the most effective approach, because I have not seen much success on a regular basis from teams who do it. I believe an 8-9 man rotation with maybe another guy getting about 5 minutes or less is the most effective.