Charging Foul Resulting in Free Throws

[Da Coach]

Heres another often missed call I have seen called only once. You have 5 seconds to inbound the ball once the ref gives you posession out of bounds. Inbounding the ball means a player on your team must touch it.....so when you roll the ball up court you are on the clock. UNI did it once and it went almost all the way to the halfcourt (why we don't force them to pick it up right away is another issue) but the ref must be counting while the ball is rolling becuase they STILL, as I said, only have the 5 count to pick it up and put it in play.

Watch the official....he doesn't initiate a 5 sec. count once the ball is rolled up the court.

The rule on this was changed a some years ago.
Now the 5 second count ends as soon as the inbounding player releases the ball.
The "rolled ball" or the long pass into the frontcourt happens a lot- the refs got it right.

[dogsrus]

The rule on this was changed a some years ago.
Now the 5 second count ends as soon as the inbounding player releases the ball.

IF thats the case then it makes sense why they don't call it. I never get those memo's anymore.

[lefty]

This is a rather bizarre call that you see about once a year. Yes, the official (Higgins) ruled that DSE had released the shot before he made contact under the basket by the UNI defender, who was not playing defense, but just positioning himself to be under DSE. In that case, it's not called a "player control foul", and handled like any other common foul. Since UNI was in the bonus, they got to shoot free throws. Player control fouls are called when the player in contol of the ball is guilty, and they result only in a change of posession.

Did anyone else notice though that right after this call, Higgins made 3 quick foul calls on UNI and all of them seemed to be ticky-tack fouls away from the ball. It seemed like he was calling make-up calls to benefit BU.

I noticed that too....but I thought it was some make up from the other dark haired(taller) ref...it seemed like he would not give BU a call and Higgins and JL talked and then 3 quick fouls were called.....

[dogsrus]

I noticed that too....but I thought it was some make up from the other dark haired(taller) ref...it seemed like he would not give BU a call and Higgins and JL talked and then 3 quick fouls were called.....

I wouldn't call them "ticky tac" but they were calls that they HADN"T been making earlier. UNI was playing past SIU type D on Sam and doing a good job getting away with bumping and roughing him up the first half...then, all of a sudden, it seemed that wasn't allowed.

Wether it was a make up type call or maybe Jim pointed it out it freed up Sammy a bit in the second half.


Either way it was a pretty good called game.......

[lefty]

I wouldn't call them "ticky tac" but they were calls that they HADN"T been making earlier. UNI was playing past SIU type D on Sam and doing a good job getting away with bumping and roughing him up the first half...then, all of a sudden, it seemed that wasn't allowed.

Wether it was a make up type call or maybe Jim pointed it out it freed up Sammy a bit in the second half.


Either way it was a pretty good called game.......

yup...I never have a problem with Higgins or Sanzere.....but it seems that Grimshaw guy is not a fan of JL

[tornado]

as we talked about last night, lefty, the game was a mix of two different halves...

the first half nothing was called, and our guys had trouble adjusting..but in the 2nd half, the 3 refs were back to their old MVC ways of calling 25 fouls in a half, and it worked out for us!

[dogsrus]

yup...I never have a problem with Higgins or Sanzere.....but it seems that Grimshaw guy is not a fan of JL

Not a fan or just not a good ref ?

[real fan]

The charging foul on Dyricus was terrible as he was up at the rim making a layup when the UNI defender slid under him , the rule says the offensive player has to have room to come down, Grimshaw is not a good referee , Sanzere has never been one of my favorites but Higgins is one of the best even though he made the bad call. I thought the officiating was good yesterday because it was consistent, you are always going to have a few bad calls in a game but as long as there is not a huge difference in the amount of free throws shot between teams I would say both teams got a fair shake.

[lefty]

Not a fan or just not a good ref ?

well I've only seen him do our games but he seems to warn JL pretty quick and.....other refs that JL talks to will talked to him. I don't remember ever seeing him come over and expalin anything like other refs do.

But he could be just a bad ref

[dogsrus]

The charging foul on Dyricus was terrible as he was up at the rim making a layup when the UNI defender slid under him , the rule says the offensive player has to have room to come down, Grimshaw is not a good referee , Sanzere has never been one of my favorites but Higgins is one of the best even though he made the bad call. I thought the officiating was good yesterday because it was consistent, you are always going to have a few bad calls in a game but as long as there is not a huge difference in the amount of free throws shot between teams I would say both teams got a fair shake.

It was consistent each half....first half was consistent as they let things go..the second half a little more closely called. But thats OK as the players need to adjust.

Agreed on the "room to land".....he didn't make contact until after the shot so he is allowed space to come down...he wasn't.

It IS the toughest call to make ( a charge) and we got a few calls are way also.

SS had a HORRIBLE screen during a CRITICAL time I STILL can't believe wasn't called. It could have killed a good rally and thank goodness they missed it.

[lefty]

Higgins is doing the Illinois game now

[Future Walk-On]

Higgins is doing the Illinois game now

yeah i wouldn't call it a game but.....maybe the bradley game was a trap game for higgins..he was looking ahead to his nationally televised game in Champaign today....

[tornado]

Higgins is doing the Illinois game now

he looks good, that's all that matters

[wily coyote]

IF thats the case then it makes sense why they don't call it. I never get those memo's anymore.

Da Coach is right. A player only violates a throw in when he does not release the ball after 5 seconds. I do think we need to put token pressure on teams so they don't roll the ball up the court.
Dogs also need to clarify something else you said in an earlier post. I think you said a defender MUST give a shooter room to land. That is false on a rules test. If a defender has established a spot on the floor and is in legal guarding position he is entitled to that spot if the offensive player has not left the floor. The key is the defender must be in legal gurding position and not move into a spot after the shooter leaves the floor.