An apology to a BU fan

[AE Braves Fan]

Wait , wait, wait.....are you actually telling me that some drunked up students made contact with a FEMALE cheerleader and got out of the building alive.

I'm embarassed to be a BU fan if thats the case. I respect YOUR self control but if he REALLY bumped her and no BU fan jacked his *** its a disgrace.

The nonsense went on for a long time due to the stoppage to fix the shot clock. There wasn't a lot of contact, but there was definite contact as both sides jockeyed for position on the landing/stairs before the BU cheerleaders basically gave up - they weren't gonna win against stumbling drunk ***holes.

[BUBrave28]

I saw it happen and was shocked nobody seemed to do ANYTHING about it, especially the guy she was with. He could have stepped in between them or something. If I was up in that section that kid might have ended up drunkenly "falling" down those PCC stairs..

[Future Walk-On]

Our generation is much different than the generation of 40+ year-olds.

F*** is said in everyday language. It is only expected that it will come out in moments of high tension and surely in drunkeness. Yeah I verbally harassed the ISU fans behind their bench...am I sorry...no? Is it like I am still so mad at them? no. I look at it as trash talking where trash talking is understandable. We didn't go crazy at eachother and get out of hand. We were just speaking our mind at eachother because I am a Bradley fan and they were ISU fans. I understand exactly where they are coming from and why they say what they said. They aren't siting and whining about what I said to them. It was just the heat of the moment and no one got hurt.

If you don't want obscenities from drunk college kids at a college basketball game....I do not have a solution.

[dogsrus]

Bula, any interest in coming and explaining those t-shirts to my 8 year old son who asked about them at ISU? If you think that is OK now, I look forward to you having a child of your own. Hopefully, your position will change.

Firsty...what do you do when your son hears some drunk at a resturant blurt out an obscenity...what do you do when your son see's some crack dealer cussin the cops when they bust him on TV.....what do you do when you see workers at a picket line flip the bird to scabs as they cross the line......what do you do when you see or hear someone yell Obama you $uck at a republican rally...... and on and on?

You tell him, "son, this isn't a perfect world and you are going to see, hear and witness alot of things that THIS family is opposed to. We hope YOU never engage in this type behavior and when you see/hear it you walk away and understand not everyone acts/talks like this."

May I offer its not Bula's or anyone's responsibility to "explain" what the Buck ******* shirts mean...thats YOUR responsibility and I'm sure you do it well and have to do it every day.

Yeah its no fun and you wish you didn't have to but this isn't utopia and we all see and hear things that don't fit in with our specific family values and we must use it as a simple life lesson so AGAIN, your kid doesn't engage in those type behaviors YOUR family deems inappropriate...

Just a thought.

[tornado]

Iuck Fllinois St?

Pluck the Birds is nowhere the same...those are real words, and birds do get plucked every day in every state...

if we tried to sell t-shirts saying Ruck the Fredbirds, I suspect we'd be asked by ther BU admin. to cease..
case clooed...

[chitown fanatic]

Again I'll defend the 'blue hairs". The ISU fan said a gentleman and his wife, not an older gentleman and his wife. I sit most of the game and I'm not ashamed of it. If I sat in the student section I could stand the entire game most of the time and not be in anyone's way. Quit knocking the ones who keep the program going. We show up for every game not just a rivalry game where we can act like we are all grown up and have a beer or two.

Sorry Chico, we'll agree to disagree on that. I'm on Wessler's side of the argument on stand vs. not stand. I believe fans are there to try and help the team win as much as enjoy themselves...in fact the enjoyment comes from helping the team win by standing up at appropriate times, cheering as loudly as possible,etc. My original ire was more meant at the fact these people associated foul language as some sort of exclusive domain of those in the greek system and that offends me. in fact, i find this attitude pervasive of many in "your" generation...that was more of my point as opposed to the sit vs stand argument.
However, I stand by my opinion on that issue as well. Carver has been more of a morgue this year than ever(admittedly, the product is partially responsible), but those who "support" the program financially seem to underestimate the importance of "supporting" them while they're playing.

[rodney21]

Interesting discussion here. It would be interesting to see how the BU/ISU "disagreements" compare to other college basketball rivals.

[TNel]

Standing, just for the sake of standing, is contrived ... artificial. Action on the floor that brings fans to their feet spontaneously is the true show of support and approval. It's emotional, it's real and I'm sure the players notice, appreciate it and thrive on it. Outstanding performance is the cause, standing is the effect ... not the other way around. If the players do their part, we WILL be standing most of the time ... without any prompting.

[BuB]

Standing, just for the sake of standing, is contrived ... artificial. Action on the floor that brings fans to their feet spontaneously is the true show of support and approval. It's emotional, it's real and I'm sure the players notice, appreciate it and thrive on it. Outstanding performance is the cause, standing is the effect ... not the other way around. If the players do their part, we WILL be standing most of the time ... without any prompting.

I agree. That is why I puke every time I see Nancy Pelosi stand up and clap after every pause in one of Obama's speech's. Joe Biden is often 2nd to stand and is reacting to her. I have got to believe he is saying to himself, "D@mn Nancy, give it a rest, are you kidding me."

[DeltaBrave03]

Our generation is much different than the generation of 40+ year-olds.

F*** is said in everyday language. It is only expected that it will come out in moments of high tension and surely in drunkeness. Yeah I verbally harassed the ISU fans behind their bench...am I sorry...no? Is it like I am still so mad at them? no. I look at it as trash talking where trash talking is understandable. We didn't go crazy at eachother and get out of hand. We were just speaking our mind at eachother because I am a Bradley fan and they were ISU fans. I understand exactly where they are coming from and why they say what they said. They aren't siting and whining about what I said to them. It was just the heat of the moment and no one got hurt.

If you don't want obscenities from drunk college kids at a college basketball game....I do not have a solution.

It is used commonly amongst college kids, however some if not most know when it is appropriate and when it is not. A basketball game especially at PCC where it is more of a family environment than most college hoops arenas is not an appropriate place. Using an F-Bomb has little effect on the players for the reason they hear it everyday as opposed to something clever that they don't hear at every away game. It does have a major affect on an 8 year old at the game with their parents who has never heard the word before. I tell my friends all the time to watch their language when we're out around a crowd of children as it is unacceptable and frankly immature IMO.

[DeltaBrave03]

I saw it happen and was shocked nobody seemed to do ANYTHING about it, especially the guy she was with. He could have stepped in between them or something. If I was up in that section that kid might have ended up drunkenly "falling" down those PCC stairs..

I saw him standing next to them from the student section, but wasn't watching the whole time so I never saw the contact. Neither cheerleader could do anything as they are representatives of the university, and are being held to a much higher standard than some drunk tool from isu.

[SFP]

GOREDBIRDS4 Thanks for the apology! The game can take people out of their self and its a man in your case that can see where they did something wrong and admit it! You took a bit of the responsibility and for that I see a positive value.

Standing, just for the sake of standing, is contrived ... artificial. Action on the floor that brings fans to their feet spontaneously is the true show of support and approval. It's emotional, it's real and I'm sure the players notice, appreciate it and thrive on it. Outstanding performance is the cause, standing is the effect ... not the other way around. If the players do their part, we WILL be standing most of the time ... without any prompting.

Yea, yea, yea but what of when most of Carver just seems dead when they should be on their feet cheering. The set up at Carver has always been tilted for the heavy donors who are a bit older and regardless of spirit do not come to their feet to often. That is what we have and if we want the place to rock the administration will have to change it. I doubt though if that will happen any time soon.

I agree. That is why I puke every time I see Nancy Pelosi stand up and clap after every pause in one of Obama's speech's. Joe Biden is often 2nd to stand and is reacting to her. I have got to believe he is saying to himself, "D@mn Nancy, give it a rest, are you kidding me."

Please let's leave the Democrats out of this. The Republicans during the Bush years were just as smug. BTW...Pelosi does look like a Chihuahua that has used to much botox! During these meetings she does become the cheerleader in chief.

[chitown fanatic]

Standing, just for the sake of standing, is contrived ... artificial. Action on the floor that brings fans to their feet spontaneously is the true show of support and approval. It's emotional, it's real and I'm sure the players notice, appreciate it and thrive on it. Outstanding performance is the cause, standing is the effect ... not the other way around. If the players do their part, we WILL be standing most of the time ... without any prompting.

I agree with what you're saying but the fans at Carver hardly stand EVER, maybe once a game if we're lucky other than at the start(which is the artificial part) Through the normal ebb and flow of a game, I'd say there are at least 5-8 times a game the crowd should be on its feet...minimum. I can't think of the last time the blue hairs stood even half that amount. In just a few more of those moments, think how much that could do for the players when they lose games by a point or two? No one's saying stand all the time....just a little more than they do. At 4-3 in conference, what could it hurt to try and make a difference? who's with me?

[SFP]

I agree with what you're saying but the fans at Carver hardly stand EVER, maybe once a game if we're lucky other than at the start(which is the artificial part) Through the normal ebb and flow of a game, I'd say there are at least 5-8 times a game the crowd should be on its feet...minimum. I can't think of the last time the blue hairs stood even half that amount. In just a few more of those moments, think how much that could do for the players when they lose games by a point or two? No one's saying stand all the time....just a little more than they do. At 4-3 in conference, what could it hurt to try and make a difference? who's with me?

I agree but it does not mean it will change. Until someone puts down a ton of money for that purpose the donors will get the prime real estate. Donors are usually the seniors who just do not and will not get on their feet. As Chico would say they are there thick or thin unlike the students. How would you change it Chitown? I see no change until they build another arena with box seats and 1st class amenities where these donors would rather sit and leave a bunch of seats open that ring around the floor for students. Could you imagine though those seats being empty because of no shows by the students?

[BuB]

Please let's leave the Democrats out of this. The Republicans during the Bush years were just as smug. BTW...Pelosi does look like a Chihuahua that has used to much botox! During these meetings she does become the cheerleader in chief.

Not turning this into a Democratic thing. Only pointing out how phony it looks when someone stands/cheers when it isn't warrented. I think Biden knows this just as basketball fans do who don't stand when nothing exciting or spontaneous happens. I am sure Republicans do the same.

You are right about the botox thing. One more surgery and she will come out looking like Joan Rivers