I dont blame the coaching

[BradleyBrave]

I don't think you can use players leaving as an excuse to keep a coach or not. It wasn't a factor, under a different admin, in Coach Mo. That team had 10x the talent this team does.

I would wager that more players have transferred in the last 2 years than would leave the program if there were a coaching change this offseason.

Agree 100%. Plus nearly half the team can't really transfer to DI without losing their eligibility anyways. If discussions are had regarding the leadership of the program next year, I doubt this will come into play very much.

[wizard1]

I don't blame the coaching

Coach--- I agree with what you are saying regarding JL. Let's finish the season( I hope we don't succumb to playing in another "nothing" tournament), get our recruits signed (Hopefully including Wilkins) , evaluate the situation and our results over the past 8 years, set some objectives for the program, then give JL ONE MORE YEAR TO TURN IT AROUND.

Regarding players leaving after a change---I have been thru 4 coaching changes at BU and closely involved in a couple of them. I can't recall losing a significant player after any of them although we almost lost Hawkins to Villanova and most of the rest of the team elsewhere after Abegg ran Versace off.

Fortunately, Ron Ferguson stepped in and saved the day by convincing everyone including HH to stay.

We always seem to hear the excuse that a new guy may be worse that the current guy. Same thing happens in business when a CEO or top management change is made. Obviously sometimes it works out very well and sometimes it doesn't but you'll never improve a poor situation if you don't have the fortitude to make a change when it is needed.

[Da Coach]

I got that from this statement....

I never meant to imply my opinion was superior to anyone else's. The 13,962 number to the right of my name means I have posted 13,962 times here, a large number of those very opinionated posts and anyone who wants to know where I stand can look back and see it. It's funny that I get criticized for voicing my opinion too much by some, and shying away from it by others. I guess I can't please everyone.

[BradleyDU4]

Coach--- I agree with what you are saying regarding JL. Let's finish the season( I hope we don't succumb to playing in another "nothing" tournament), get our recruits signed (Hopefully including Wilkins) , evaluate the situation and our results over the past 8 years, set some objectives for the program, then give JL ONE MORE YEAR TO TURN IT AROUND.

Regarding players leaving after a change---I have been thru 4 coaching changes at BU and closely involved in a couple of them. I can't recall losing a significant player after any of them although we almost lost Hawkins to Villanova and most of the rest of the team elsewhere after Abegg ran Versace off.

Fortunately, Ron Ferguson stepped in and saved the day by convincing everyone including HH to stay.

We always seem to hear the excuse that a new guy may be worse that the current guy. Same thing happens in business when a CEO or top management change is made. Obviously sometimes it works out very well and sometimes it doesn't but you'll never improve a poor situation if you don't have the fortitude to make a change when it is needed.

When you say dont succumb to a nothing tournament (CIT, CBI), what are your honest expectations at this point in the year? Do you think the NCAA or NIT are likely and if not would you rather play in no tournament at all?

[houstontxbrave]

This whole Jim Les thing is overblown by all of us. He is exactly like this program, average. He got very hot for about a month in 06. Other then that this program and its coach is about as average as average gets.

Until he develops/recruits anyone who can handle the lane and get defensive rebounds this program will continue down the average path.

You can not get out rebounded by 13 and by 11 on the offensive boards and expect things to change... even if we would have won, this getting blown out on the boards is a joke. But when you bring off the bench a 6th year unathletic senior and 2 guards I guess rebounding is not high prioriety nor is the development of big 5's.

[That Guy]

I don't think people criticize you for voicing your opinions, but for not giving direct answers when people ask you to answer them.

[chitown fanatic]

DC, I haven't said anything about your opinion other than the idea that we don't have a good home record because we don't practice there is absurd. I will say that about your opinion because the facts don't back it up. we've played there for almost thirty years and compiled a more than 3-1 win to loss ratio during that time. those are facts and they carry more weight than anyone's opinions, and when they prove an opinion wrong, they deserve to be called out. I'm glad you support BU, all of us do. And I'm not saying changing the coach will save the day, either at the end of the season, or in the future for that matter. My misery is largely based on opinions that people think the things you stated(tophalf finishes, 20 win seasons,etc) are good enough. It's akin to believing C's are acceptable. To people who have opinions like mine, average is NEVER acceptable, no matter what you do. AVERAGE is for LOSERS. This isn't being negative and it isn't meant to attack. It's written over and over by me because I can't believe others can feel the opposite. It's clear you do, but claiming we enjoy this misery is just flat out wrong.(and you never directly answered his question, just more hyperbole)

[Fetz86]

When you say dont succumb to a nothing tournament (CIT, CBI), what are your honest expectations at this point in the year? Do you think the NCAA or NIT are likely and if not would you rather play in no tournament at all?

I would rather play in no tournament at all this year unless we win the Valley Tournament. Postseason play is a reward for a good regular season, which is not what we have had.

[Da Coach]

If you felt your position has been made clear many times, and you got attacked every time you gave an opinion or answered a question, would you want to keep responding?

[Beninator]

This whole Jim Les thing is overblown by all of us. He is exactly like this program, average. He got very hot for about a month in 06. Other then that this program and its coach is about as average as average gets.

Until he develops/recruits anyone who can handle the lane and get defensive rebounds this program will continue down the average path.

You can not get out rebounded by 13 and by 11 on the offensive boards and expect things to change... even if we would have won, this getting blown out on the boards is a joke. But when you bring off the bench a 6th year unathletic senior and 2 guards I guess rebounding is not high prioriety nor is the development of big 5's.

I agree with your post Houston. Additionally, (not a knock against the current guys) but we also need to shell out the $$$$ to get some assistant coaches!

[SaintLouBrave22]

Come On SLB, wait till next year You made it back OK

Yes, I used my anger and frustration to drive all the way back after the game last night

[Da Coach]

I don't know what question you claim I haven't answered, but why do you need my answer?

[BradleyBrave]

This whole Jim Les thing is overblown by all of us. He is exactly like this program, average. He got very hot for about a month in 06. Other then that this program and its coach is about as average as average gets.

Until he develops/recruits anyone who can handle the lane and get defensive rebounds this program will continue down the average path.

You can not get out rebounded by 13 and by 11 on the offensive boards and expect things to change... even if we would have won, this getting blown out on the boards is a joke. But when you bring off the bench a 6th year unathletic senior and 2 guards I guess rebounding is not high prioriety nor is the development of big 5's.

I just wonder how ISU is always ending up with these quality big guys inside and we are not. I know we went after some of them, but still, what's making them choose ISU over BU? Dilligard, Slack, Sampay, Odiakosa, Lewis, Carmichael...all of them are better than just about every interior recruit we've had in the last 3-4 years. Sure, we've had some comparable ones - ZA and Salley - but that's about it. Egolf can probably be added to that list too, but it's still grossly in favor of the school down the road. What a world of difference having just two of the guys mentioned above may have made with last year's team and this year's team. Sure we can play the 'if' game all day, but I think it's painfully obvious that the types of players mentioned above have been what's been sorely lacking from the program since 2006.

[SaintLouBrave22]

The bottom line, to me, is this. This program does seem to be "trending" towards mediocrity. I do not think the numbers show anything else.

One more year, one more year, one more year is getting a little tired, IMO.

I do certainly respect your right to disagree though.

Trending towards?


I'm not certain you can even say that!


When have we finished more than 2 games above .500 in conference?


Once in 8 years....


5th
6th
8th
5th
4th
5th
4th
?


Now like a broken record I say, where in there does it show improvement or a lack of the word you used "mediocrity"?

[SaintLouBrave22]

I just wonder how ISU is always ending up with these quality big guys inside and we are not. I know we went after some of them, but still, what's making them choose ISU over BU? Dilligard, Slack, Sampay, Odiakosa, Lewis, Carmichael...all of them are better than just about every interior recruit we've had in the last 3-4 years. Sure, we've had some comparable ones - ZA and Salley - but that's about it. Egolf can probably be added to that list too, but it's still grossly in favor of the school down the road. What a world of difference having just two of the guys mentioned above may have made with last year's team and this year's team. Sure we can play the 'if' game all day, but I think it's painfully obvious that the types of players mentioned above have been what's been sorely lacking from the program since 2006.

C'Mon BB...you already know the answer...


Our system and play scheme gives no reason for a good big to want to come to Bradley...

Our system for big men is an absolute JOKE!