I dont blame the coaching

[Bradleyguy10]

Are you sure that's what JL told him to do?

Well of course I'm not POSITIVE. But for the most part it's pretty clear what the plan was when coming out of JL timeout. Either it works and then it's cystal clear or the original attempt doesn't work and I usually spot it because then the team resorts back to what it usually does. This time....the ball was passed to sam and he never gave it to anyone. They tried to clear the lane he tried to drive by O and odiakosa was just waiting in the paint KNOWING sam wasn't going to pass it because it was the exact same thing we tried to do the previous 3 attempts on offense.

THE GAME WAS SICKENING. Even if we had won I would've said the game made me sick. I was shaking my head with 3 minutes left because it's just the same tired old story. If anyone couldn't just FEEL the lose coming and couldn't FEEL the team breaking down then they are seriously out of touch. I bet 9000 people last night KNEW what was coming. SICKENING. PATHETIC.

"No one is going to outwork us on our home court this year"- Jim Les

[DeltaBrave03]

Not sure if I would be for keeping Les or not. This team wins this game against our rival and we're a game out of second, but he can't find a way to get the team to hold two 10pt leads. He lost the one game a year a BU coach can't lose. I think having a new AD is working against keeping Les as it would be a huge statement in his first year to come out and say 4-6 place finishes through 8 years are not acceptable. As I said I'm still undecided, but I think JL's seat got a lot lot hotter last night.

[SaintLouBrave22]

I agree Jim should coach the rest of the season as well. However, as I said this one more year slogan has become an annual event. Do you agree?

I absolutely hate being compared as a Bradley fan to Chicago Cub fans, and unfortunately that is what being a Bradley Basketball fan is coming to...


Very sad...

[Da Coach]

Thank you for your answer.

Let me respond.

I don't know how you judge exactly who is best at stating an opinion, but I am glad you feel you are #1. I am not that good, but I will try.

Bradley is 76-57 overall and just 36-32 in Valley play the last 4 years. They have never been a top 3 league finisher. They have never won the MVC tourney or even seriously competed for an NCAA bid in any of those years.

I agree Jim should coach the rest of the season as well. However, as I said this one more year slogan has become an annual event. Do you agree?

I won't and haven't bashed you for your opinion.

I never said anything about my opinion being #1 or better than anyone else's. Where did you get that?
My reference was to the fact that I have more posts here than anyone, except maybe 1 other poster, so for someone to accuse me of shying away from giving my opinion, which is what was done, is just plain silly.

And I appreciate where you and others are with their opions. I just happen to have a different perspective.
If we are going to put as much weight on Jim Les' first couple years as we do for the last 3 or 4 years, then maybe he deserves firing. But I don't think most people would consider things that way.

[That Guy]

people act like you can change coaches like you change a light bulb...

....then have to go out and get someone to come to Peoria that would do better, and in the meantime likely lose future talent/recruits/players, ...

To the first comment: ...but if your light bulb obviously isn't working as it should, you have to change it at some point.

To the second comment: ...you mean like lose the zero recruits we have coming in next year to replace Singh, Roberts, and Brown?

[Da Coach]

That guy, Bradley does not have any recruits signed now, but they do have recruits they are following and will sign. If a coaching change is made, those will disappear, as will a number of current players. It happens with every coaching change, so it will happen, and maybe there are some fans who are OK with that.

Surely the next coach will bring in far better players? Maybe the fact that a new coach will have the new facilities to boast about will help. But then maybe it will help Jim Les if he stays.

[SaintLouBrave22]

That guy, Bradley does not have any recruits signed now, but they do have recruits they are following and will sign. If a coaching change is made, those will disappear, as will a number of current players. It happens with every coaching change, so it will happen, and maybe there are some fans who are OK with that.

Surely the next coach will bring in far better players? Maybe the fact that a new coach will have the new facilities to boast about will help. But then maybe it will help Jim Les if he stays.

What exactly do we have to lose though if we at least fire all the assistants?


As I state again, who exactly has Brooks landed?!

H*ll! Flash Flannagan has landed us better recruits than Brooks!

[SaintLouBrave22]

That guy, Bradley does not have any recruits signed now, but they do have recruits they are following and will sign. If a coaching change is made, those will disappear, as will a number of current players. It happens with every coaching change, so it will happen, and maybe there are some fans who are OK with that.

Surely the next coach will bring in far better players? Maybe the fact that a new coach will have the new facilities to boast about will help. But then maybe it will help Jim Les if he stays.

And who says a new coach couldn't keep the talent that is here?

IF a better system is put in place and the players believe they could finish higher than 5th, why wouldn't they stay?


Besides, could guys like Taylor and Will really afford to leave?! I don't expect DSE to leave regardless of what happens, or JP for that matter...


The rest of them, what really would we be losing?

[SFP]

Blame the coach if you like because we do not have a real 5 to clean up the boards otherwise he did a good job getting these guy prepared. I will not blame the refs for the lost but one of those SM drives late in the game OE was hanging on him and no foul called. Those fouls on WE were ticky tacky and him going out made a huge difference.... even with those calls we had a chance. The other thing that I noticed is that our guys 1/2 way through the 2nd half looked gassed or out of energy. The ability for ISU to 2nd chances all night and pound it was the real issue. We get a 5 next year or the good teams will continue to exploit this weakness. To me it is that simple. Our bench is a bit slim without EM and DD to be ably to run and press and so teams with bigs can slow it down and pund us when our guys get tired.

[That Guy]

I never said anything about my opinion being #1 or better than anyone else's. Where did you get that?
My reference was to the fact that I have more posts here than anyone, except maybe 1 other poster, so for someone to accuse me of shying away from giving my opinion, which is what was done, is just plain silly.

And I appreciate where you and others are with their opions. I just happen to have a different perspective.
If we are going to put as much weight on Jim Les' first couple years as we do for the last 3 or 4 years, then maybe he deserves firing. But I don't think most people would consider things that way.

Actually I think the last 4 years since the Sweet 16 run are what is most fresh in people's minds. Probably the part about how we have gotten progressively worse and worse. Also, if we have more talent than anyone else in the league, yet still can't finish top 3 - it is even more of an indictment against the coaching staff.

[BradleyBrave]

That guy, Bradley does not have any recruits signed now, but they do have recruits they are following and will sign. If a coaching change is made, those will disappear, as will a number of current players. It happens with every coaching change, so it will happen, and maybe there are some fans who are OK with that.

Surely the next coach will bring in far better players? Maybe the fact that a new coach will have the new facilities to boast about will help. But then maybe it will help Jim Les if he stays.

Jankovich didn't have a problem with guys leaving, and Les really didn't either when he got here. Tisby and Tucker were probably already gone, and Granger, well, who knows with that guy. So I have to ask, is that really a reason to keep a guy? Sure, some guys might leave. Guys might be leaving anyways. But that didn't keep us from letting Molinari go, and we a had a lot more talent on that team than Jim has on this one. I am pretty confident that Maniscalco, Warren, Dunson, Egolf, and Prosser aren't going to leave. Warren and Dunson would have no eligibility left. Maniscalco isn't going to sit out the year before his senior year. Egolf just sat out a year. Prosser isn't going to want to sit out 2 years in a row. That's a pretty solid nucleus that isn't going anywhere. Thompson is a question mark even if Jim stays. Perhaps Taylor Brown leaves? I'm not sure he would want to sit out a whole other year either, considering he didn't really play his first year out of school, and had only a small role last year. But he would be the only guy I would really be worried about. With no one signed for next year, the remaining guys on the team all have a shot at significant playing time, which is incentive to stay.

With the nucleus I mentioned above that really can't go anywhere, there is a chance to win right away next year, whether Jim is leading us or not. The last 8 years tells us that it's more likely than not that we'll underachieve next year with the status quo. Why not roll the dice? Do we have zero faith in our university to make a good decision?

[BradleyJD]

I never said anything about my opinion being #1 or better than anyone else's. Where did you get that?

I got that from this statement.

You are wrong. Nobody here has voiced their opinion any more clearly than I have.

My reference was to the fact that I have more posts here than anyone, except maybe 1 other poster, so for someone to accuse me of shying away from giving my opinion, which is what was done, is just plain silly.

Giving your opinion and answering my question are two different things. Anyone could give an opinion, but not answer a direct question. I think that is what the other poster meant by saying my questions would not be answered.

And I appreciate where you and others are with their opions. I just happen to have a different perspective.
If we are going to put as much weight on Jim Les' first couple years as we do for the last 3 or 4 years, then maybe he deserves firing. But I don't think most people would consider things that way.

The bottom line, to me, is this. This program does seem to be "trending" towards mediocrity. I do not think the numbers show anything else.

One more year, one more year, one more year is getting a little tired, IMO.

I do certainly respect your right to disagree though.

[Out of Balance]

I am praying that the UNC fans or the UCLA fans are as miserable and hard to please as fans "elsewhere" and then we can go after and hire Roy Williams or Ben Howland

I absolutely hate being compared as a Bradley fan to Chicago Cub fans, and unfortunately that is what being a Bradley Basketball fan is coming to...


Very sad...

Come On SLB, wait till next year You made it back OK

[JMM28]

With the nucleus I mentioned above that really can't go anywhere, there is a chance to win right away next year, whether Jim is leading us or not. The last 8 years tells us that it's more likely than not that we'll underachieve next year with the status quo. Why not roll the dice? Do we have zero faith in our university to make a good decision?

I don't think you can use players leaving as an excuse to keep a coach or not. It wasn't a factor, under a different admin, in Coach Mo. That team had 10x the talent this team does.

I would wager that more players have transferred in the last 2 years than would leave the program if there were a coaching change this offseason.

[BradleyJD]

I don't think you can use players leaving as an excuse to keep a coach or not. It wasn't a factor, under a different admin, in Coach Mo. That team had 10x the talent this team does.

I would wager that more players have transferred in the last 2 years than would leave the program if there were a coaching change this offseason.

Regardless of any of this. A change at coach is never about 1 player leaving or coming.

A change at coach is about a systemic problem, a foundation problem, or a program problem. You cannot keep a coach because someone MIGHT leave. If you believe the coach or program needs the change, you do it.

You do it for the good of the program in the long run. Not the player in the short term.