I dont blame the coaching

[Beninator]

Why would the BSS be disbanded? Where did that come from?

I think that T is just using that as an argument as to how successful the BSS has been for BU athletics etc... I have no problem with the BSS. Most schools utilize something of this nature for raising funds etc. The team remains accessible to fans with events throughout the year.

[Beninator]

What dont I understand, that money and contributions run decisions, the University and the athletic department let alone any personel decisons made in the athletic department. Do I not understand that if several highend donors were tired of Les he would be gone because they control the purse strings??

What you dont understand is no one on here cares if Les or the University reads this site let alone the newspaper. People get on here to vent frustration. Whether anyone on here is positive or negative that vibe likely is not going to carry over to a game.

I dont think anyone on here believes that by us discussing Les and his coaching will lead to his dismissial. I believe most of us are fully aware that those decision are not based on what we type on here.

And if I want to be negative all day long thats my choice and again my attitute I certainly hope is not in anyway an influence on this program. If those of us on here want to bash Les 24/7 thats our call, but I guarantee no one who bashes or is positive truely believes what is written here has any influence. It is just a form for those who care about Bradley Basketball to vent either negative or positive.

I find it a little funny that you truely believe that those of us on here who discuss Bradley Basketball actually think we have influence on this program. The only influence anyone has is in their wallet. Words on a message board do not.

Very true Houston. I think that too many times, people want to shoot from the hip on issues around here and ask questions later. There is a process that needs to occur and we first need to look within before any actions are made one way or the other.

[SFP]

I would not want this kind of sleaze at BU.

B4L it does not have to be sleazy but every major school and yes even Duke has used the AAU circuit for recruiting and the shoe companies do control them. If we want better recruits we will need to hire someone who understands the relationships in that world. I'm not saying we should start paying these sleaze balls but we better find a way to influence that world if we want to become what most here want. That or a pipeline of players coming from somewhere else then the US. A reality in today's HS recruiting process.

I have had some conversation with this guy who runs an AAU program out in Oregon and runs a few camps out in SF during the year looking for recruits himself and he would be the first to tell you it is a dog eat dog world out there even in the Jr. High level. If someone makes his job easier I'm sure he'd be glad to help them out. Fact of life with any job! It does not have to be sleazy!

[Beninator]

B4L it does not have to be sleazy but every major school and yes even Duke has used the AAU circuit for recruiting and the shoe companies do control them. If we want better recruits we will need to hire someone who understands the relationships in that world. I'm not saying we should start paying these sleaze balls but we better find a way to influence that world if we want to become what most here want. That or a pipeline of players coming from somewhere else then the US. A reality in today's HS recruiting process.

I have had some conversation with this guy who runs an AAU program out in Oregon and runs a few camps out in SF during the year looking for recruits himself and he would be the first to tell you it is a dog eat dog world out there even in the Jr. High level. If someone makes his job easier I'm sure he'd be glad to help them out. Fact of life with any job! It does not have to be sleazy!

Agree.. We have to find ways to play the "game" out there while maintaining our standards. On a separate not, I personally think that it is sick that people are taking this to the junior high level!

[BradleyBrave]

I think that T is just using that as an argument as to how successful the BSS has been for BU athletics etc... I have no problem with the BSS. Most schools utilize something of this nature for raising funds etc. The team remains accessible to fans with events throughout the year.

No doubt, it's a great asset to the athletic department. But it doesn't control it. If it did, Ken Kavanagh would still have a job at BU.

[SaintLouBrave22]

B4L it does not have to be sleazy but every major school and yes even Duke has used the AAU circuit for recruiting and the shoe companies do control them. If we want better recruits we will need to hire someone who understands the relationships in that world. I'm not saying we should start paying these sleaze balls but we better find a way to influence that world if we want to become what most here want. That or a pipeline of players coming from somewhere else then the US. A reality in today's HS recruiting process.

I have had some conversation with this guy who runs an AAU program out in Oregon and runs a few camps out in SF during the year looking for recruits himself and he would be the first to tell you it is a dog eat dog world out there even in the Jr. High level. If someone makes his job easier I'm sure he'd be glad to help them out. Fact of life with any job! It does not have to be sleazy!

Ahem...ISU...Ahem Paris Parham...DUH....

[BradleyJD]

do you understand that most of us on here dont really care if anyone is listening to us, we are typing and talking about this because we want too. You probably are also very naive to think that the bss individuals are not also talking about les and i would not be surprised if more then one might either read or post here.

And from trying to interpret your post, you are apparently listening and reacting to the posters on here, and you also seem to try to tell us you are part of this braves club. So, i take it you do really care what us post about on here since you took time to belittle us.

ding ding ding

[Bradleyguy10]

People don't know what a board is for. It's to express the current sentiment of the fans. When there isn't much positive to talk about why in the world would people come on here to only post positive things? It makes no sense what some people on here ask. "Why not just stay positive?" I'll respond with a question as well "ABOUT WHAT?". What is positive about this team? We are playing BELOW what we can...I know this. Playing at home is now more of a likelihood of a loss. Why ask us to be positive when there is nothing. When we play good there are positive posts. When we play bad there are negative posts. This board is very realistic for the most part and it's IN SPITE of some other posters on here who are in lala land about everything Bradley and suddenly become very pessimistic about anything not Bradley.

Air Petey, I guess, yeah overall what one poster says isn't going to affect anything. But take a step back and look at this...you are saying what the posters on this board say don't mean anything...well it got YOU listening and you are very quick to announce your "high class" affiliations. Well maybe it has others listening too and maybe they aren't so happy and positive about the way things are going. Just saying...maybe there is a little more power to the "worthless" people that post on here who aren't as "great" as you are and other certain posters.

Congratulations your spending tons of money on a mediocre product and your happy about it.

[SaintLouBrave22]

People don't know what a board is for. It's to express the current sentiment of the fans. When there isn't much positive to talk about why in the world would people come on here to only post positive things? It makes no sense what some people on here ask. "Why not just stay positive?" I'll respond with a question as well "ABOUT WHAT?". What is positive about this team? We are playing BELOW what we can...I know this. Playing at home is now more of a likelihood of a loss. Why ask us to be positive when there is nothing. When we play good there are positive posts. When we play bad there are negative posts. This board is very realistic for the most part and it's IN SPITE of some other posters on here who are in lala land about everything Bradley and suddenly become very pessimistic about anything not Bradley.

Air Petey, I guess, yeah overall what one poster says isn't going to affect anything. But take a step back and look at this...you are saying what the posters on this board say don't mean anything...well it got YOU listening and you are very quick to announce your "high class" affiliations. Well maybe it has others listening too and maybe they aren't so happy and positive about the way things are going. Just saying...maybe there is a little more power to the "worthless" people that post on here who aren't as "great" as you are and other certain posters.

Congratulations your spending tons of money on a mediocre product and your happy about it.

Thank you sir....you just made my day

[Air Petey]

People don't know what a board is for. It's to express the current sentiment of the fans. When there isn't much positive to talk about why in the world would people come on here to only post positive things? It makes no sense what some people on here ask. "Why not just stay positive?" I'll respond with a question as well "ABOUT WHAT?". What is positive about this team? We are playing BELOW what we can...I know this. Playing at home is now more of a likelihood of a loss. Why ask us to be positive when there is nothing. When we play good there are positive posts. When we play bad there are negative posts. This board is very realistic for the most part and it's IN SPITE of some other posters on here who are in lala land about everything Bradley and suddenly become very pessimistic about anything not Bradley.

Air Petey, I guess, yeah overall what one poster says isn't going to affect anything. But take a step back and look at this...you are saying what the posters on this board say don't mean anything...well it got YOU listening and you are very quick to announce your "high class" affiliations. Well maybe it has others listening too and maybe they aren't so happy and positive about the way things are going. Just saying...maybe there is a little more power to the "worthless" people that post on here who aren't as "great" as you are and other certain posters.

Congratulations your spending tons of money on a mediocre product and your happy about it.

Let's look at the facts:

A. This is a young team.
B. This team capable of being a really good team.

In our past 3-4 games we should have won - Nobody (other than SM) wants the ball! You can tell the kids everyday we need leaders who want the ball - BUT that can't be coached. I truely believe next year, we will have 3 or 4 guys that not only want the ball, they will make it in crunch time. Young teams need years like this to learn and get better. JL is not the problem.

PS - I'm not a BSS member. I have not spent tons of money. My problem is the people that spend "0" money but complain like they are somebody in the program.

[Air Petey]

Something else to think about. The coaches do not read this stuff, but players and most importantly potential recruits read boards from everywhere. Negativity would then hurt recruiting. The recruit says, “Why would I want to go there.” Your negative posts then carries weight to hurt the program as a whole.

[ER3]

Let's look at the facts:

A. This is a young team.
B. This team capable of being a really good team.

In our past 3-4 games we should have won - Nobody (other than SM) wants the ball! You can tell the kids everyday we need leaders who want the ball - BUT that can't be coached. I truely believe next year, we will have 3 or 4 guys that not only want the ball, they will make it in crunch time. Young teams need years like this to learn and get better. JL is not the problem.

PS - I'm not a BSS member. I have not spent tons of money. My problem is the people that spend "0" money but complain like they are somebody in the program.

This is a young team? Sorry...that is not a "fact".

Maniscalco...Junior...3rd year in the program.
Roberts...Senior...2nd year in the program.
Warren...Junior...4th year in the program.
Brown...sophomore...2nd year in the program.
Egolf...sophomore...3rd year in the program.
DSE...freshman...1st year in the program.
Singh...senior...6th year in the program.

That's our 7 man rotation...5 of the 7 are either seniors or have been in the program for 3 or more years now...we are not 'young'...not by any stretch.

[SaintLouBrave22]

PS - I'm not a BSS member. I have not spent tons of money. My problem is the people that spend "0" money but complain like they are somebody in the program.

I can pretty well guarantee that 90% of those who come on here have spent a vast amount of time on this program.


I'm sorry, but I'm not going to get into a virtual pissing contest about how much money I have donated or how long I have had season tickets...both are large and long...but thats besides the point...


The point most are getting at is that changes are necessary for the majority to be proud of the direction of the program...

Regardless of whether you spend $500 or $5000 on the program, it will not change your view of wins and losses.


Besides, who are you to say how much time and effort others have invested in the program? How in the heck would you know?!



Voicing opinion is fine, but you may want to spend less time assuming you know things like they are fact, and placing people on the chopping block that have no reason to be there when you simply have no earthly idea what you're talking about.


That is all....

[JMM28]

I think worst case scenario, the wheels come off after the latest home embarassment and Jim ends up gone after the season.

Best case is that they wipe out the staff, like some have compared to Lovie Smith/Ron Zook. This could be really good or really ugly.

If Jim is willing to hire coaches that he will allow to change things, I think it could be a very successful move.

If Jim takes the Lovie approach and says "well we are changing coaches but they are going to think like I think and they are going to do what I say", I think it is setting up for disaster. Not only are you not changing anything, but who wants to come into a situation for a 1 year shot at the same ol' same ol' especially if the writing is on the wall.

[SaintLouBrave22]

As everyone knows, I've been a major proponent of pointing out the various mistakes Les has and my complete dislike for his coaching style and both his offensive and defensive systems he has in place...

That being said, I am all for giving him another year to turn it around IF he were to scrap the entire coaching staff and bring in some coaches that can coach better inside/out offensive sets, allow our team to play more zone, establish development of the bigs inside, AND most of all, coaches that can help Jim in game that he will trust to let take a little weight off his shoulders...

As far as I can tell, he does way too much with the assistants doing little in games, so that would be a huge plus.


Also, an assistant w/ some Chicago ties would be nice.