Coach Mo

[BradleyBrave]

I'm not but if I remember correctly the Valley was really horrible many of the years Slo Mo was competing for league titles.

Can somebody research that, I'm way to lazy to do it myself.

Hmm. Not so sure about that. We sent teams to the Sweet 16 and had multiple NCAA bids during his tenure. There league is no better now than it was then...and neither are we.

[Da Coach]

The RPI ranking of the Missouri Valley Conference during Jim Les' time at BU is:
2008-2009- 9
2007-2008- 9
2007-2008- 8
2006-2007- 6
2005-2006- 6
2004-2005- 8
2003-2004- 11
2002-2003- 12

the MVC ranked between 11th and the high teens in the 11 seasons Mo was at Bradley. In any objective was these things could be measured, the MVC was not as good a conference under Mo.

[BradleyBrave]

The RPI ranking of the Missouri Valley Conference during Jim Les' time at BU is:
2008-2009- 9
2007-2008- 9
2007-2008- 8
2006-2007- 6
2005-2006- 6
2004-2005- 8
2003-2004- 11
2002-2003- 12

the MVC ranked between 11th and the high teens in the 11 seasons Mo was at Bradley. In any objective was these things could be measured, the MVC was not as good a conference under Mo.

Where does it fall regarding NCAA bids and wins?

[squirrelgotdead]

I'm not but if I remember correctly the Valley was really horrible many of the years Slo Mo was competing for league titles.

Can somebody research that, I'm way to lazy to do it myself.

Certainly you can make an argument that the bottom with regards to UNI and Drake were awful the latter part of the 1990's. . .

But in general, that is one of the biggest myths that is always perpetuated out there. . .the top has always been outstanding. However, in the years immediately following Tulsa leaving, you simply saw the bottom teams become more formiddable.

Well, let's see. . .

In Mo's year 3 when the winning started. . .

1994 Tulsa Sweet 16, SIU 1st Rd

1995 Tulsa Sweet 16, SIU 1st Rd

1996 Tulsa and Bradley 1st Rd; Tulsa leaves Valley

1997 Illinois State 1st Rd

1998 Illinois State 2nd Rd (spent some time in the polls), CU breaks thru with 2nd place finish, Bruce Weber's first year at SIU

1999 SMS Sweet 16, Creighton 2nd Rd, Evansville 1st RD

2000 Creighton, Indiana State 1st Rd

2001 Indiana State 2nd Rd, Creighton 1st Rd

2002 SIU Sweet 16, Creighton 2nd Rd

You measure yourself against the best, not the worst. Everyone has passed us by from 1998-2008, anyway you slice it.

[Murph]

The RPI ranking of the Missouri Valley Conference during Jim Les' time at BU is:
2008-2009- 9
2007-2008- 9
2007-2008- 8
2006-2007- 6
2005-2006- 6
2004-2005- 8
2003-2004- 11
2002-2003- 12

the MVC ranked between 11th and the high teens in the 11 seasons Mo was at Bradley. In any objective was these things could be measured, the MVC was not as good a conference under Mo.

Thanks Coach

[Braves4Life]

I'm not but if I remember correctly the Valley was really horrible many of the years Slo Mo was competing for league titles.

Can somebody research that, I'm way to lazy to do it myself.

Hmm. Not so sure about that. We sent teams to the Sweet 16 and had multiple NCAA bids during his tenure.

WHAT? Come on BradleyBrave, you're slippin' man! Sweet 16 under Mo?


EDIT: I think I misinterpreted your post BB. You meant The MVC sending teams to the NCAA and having a Sweet 16, not BU. Right?

[squirrelgotdead]

WHAT? Come on BradleyBrave, you're slippin' man! Sweet 16 under Mo?

He didn't say BU did, he was talking about the league. . .

Only 3 times from 1994-2003 did the league fail to get a team past the 1st Rd, something it's gone 2 straight years in doing.

[Braves4Life]

He didn't say BU did, he was talking about the league. . .

Only 3 times from 1994-2003 did the league fail to get a team past the 1st Rd, something it's gone 2 straight years in doing.

Thanks squirrel. After re-reading BradleyBrave I stand corrected.

[squirrelgotdead]

I also think it's funny that a large number of Bradley fans thought UNI's inclusion into the Valley was a joke.

Yet, here they've gone to the NCAA 4 out of the last 6 years.

[BradleyBrave]

WHAT? Come on BradleyBrave, you're slippin' man! Sweet 16 under Mo?


EDIT: I think I misinterpreted your post BB. You meant The MVC sending teams to the NCAA and having a Sweet 16, not BU. Right?

Yes, I meant the MVC. My apologies if that wasn't clear.

[SFP]

How does this become a thread about JL? I posted that I thought they showed the door to quick for Mo IMO, nothing more, noting less. He had some pretty good recruits in the stable and ready to go. Do I wish more for the program, yes and I believe Mo could have delivered. I also believe JL can deliver and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, still. I can say though if next season turns out like this year I'll probably have a change of heart. The good thing about these two men are that they both have represented the university with class. Now if JL can start really winning consistantly he will be my coach at The Hilltop for life.

[BradleyBrave]

How does this become a thread about JL? I posted that I thought they showed the door to quick for Mo IMO, nothing more, noting less. He had some pretty good recruits in the stable and ready to go. Do I wish more for the program, yes and I believe Mo could have delivered. I also believe JL can deliver and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, still. I can say though if next season turns out like this year I'll probably have a change of heart. The good thing about these two men are that they both have represented the university with class. Now if JL can start really winning consistantly he will be my coach at The Hilltop for life.

I guess maybe it's my fault, although I don't really think the thread became about JL at all. It was mostly about Mo, some people thinking he was let go too soon (which I find kind of interesting that this is coming out now), and about the MVC during Mo's time and now.

Couldn't any coach be the coach here 'for life' if they 'really started winning consistently' (which I assume means regular league titles and NCAA's)?

[SFP]

I guess maybe it's my fault, although I don't really think the thread became about JL at all. It was mostly about Mo, some people thinking he was let go too soon (which I find kind of interesting that this is coming out now), and about the MVC during Mo's time and now.

Couldn't any coach be the coach here 'for life' if they 'really started winning consistently' (which I assume means regular league titles and NCAA's)?

Yes! There are a few of us who are not satisfied with the current results but are a bit reluctant to pull the plug. If we were cellar dwellers then this conversation would be moot because every single one of us would be in lock step. The thing is that this season is not over and we can still do some damage. I believe we are one recruit from being special next year and it is not JW. If he comes in is as advertised he will give us something special but I still believe with the talent this team has and with an addition of a real 5 BU could be a top 20 team and add JW and the sky is the limit. JMO. But we need a real 5 to compete with the big boys regardless and I do not care where JL finds him.

[squirrelgotdead]

Not to continue to steer the discussion further off course, SFP. . .

But at Bradley, what do you feel defines "cellar dweller"?

We all use the "Top 3" argument. . .but to me, 3rd place most years, should be the basement, not the ceiling.

[BradleyBrave]

Not to continue to steer the discussion further off course, SFP. . .

But at Bradley, what do you feel defines "cellar dweller"?

We all use the "Top 3" argument. . .but to me, 3rd place most years, should be the basement, not the ceiling.

Agreed. It should be where we're at when we're 'rebuilding' or 'reloading', not where we strive to be. We haven't been close to that in this regime, so we're searching for anything that might indicate progress.