MVC Player of the Year?

[Nacho]

When is the last time a player received POY from a 4th, 5th, or 6th place team (even 2nd or 3rd for that matter)? I honestly do not have the answer, but I figured someone would have it handy... maybe even going back the last 20 years, how many times has is happened?

Whenever the last time was, I have a feeling that that particular player blew EVERYONE else out of the water in one or several MAJOR statistics.

Regardless of how anyone wants to read into it, POY is also a TEAM award. Its like a players on a terrible team winning the MVP (it happens rarely and when it does, that player simply DOMINATES).

maniscalco might be deserving of 1st team MVC, but no way he gets POY on a .500(ish) team, finishing in the middle(ish) of the pack, without dominating any one MAJOR stat. he is not even in the top 3 in any ONE of the major stats (I am looking at MVC only stats here). The closest is #4 in scoring.

[cpacmel]

I can't find any examples where OE helped win a game in the late minutes. Has there ever been such a game?

Go back and watch the last minute of ISU's win over BU in Peoria for one.

[Nacho]

One more thing I forgot to add- Who was guarding maniscalco at the end of the ISU win at bu??? o yes... it was Osiris... and I am pretty sure sammy didn't hit the rim on any of those "last second, game winning" attempts

[Da Coach]

I'll give credit to OE for good defense at the end of the BU-ISU game, but why has has he not been playing good defense in the rest of ISU's games? In every ISU game I've seen, his defense this season has been lousy.

BTW, King-O scored only 7 points on 3-12 shooting in that game, with 1 rebound.

[cpacmel]

I'll give credit to OE for good defense at the end of the BU-ISU game, but why has has he not been playing good defense in the rest of ISU's games? In every ISU game I've seen, his defense this season has been lousy.

Thanks for giving him props for that Da Coach. If you listen to Tornado, OE wouldn't even start for Bradley, much less play much.

Was OE's defense lousy when we played you guys in Normal too? Andrew Warren (3-12 FG) would probably differ with your opinion on his defense that day.

BTW, King-O scored only 7 points on 3-12 shooting in that game, with 1 rebound.

Pretty impressive we were able to get out of Peoria with a W. Luckily others (Dinma 12 and 15, Hill 14 and 4, and Jackie C 12 and 7) stepped up.

[Da Coach]

I was at that game in Normal, and I was not impressed with OEs defense. Andrew missed a bunch of open shots, but if you want to claim that was because of OE, go ahead. How was his defense on Harry Marshall in Terre Haute and in other games? It seemed he played at least 10 feet off Marshall that whole game, yet still managed to foul out while allowing Marshall one of the best games of his career.

Are you trying to make the case that OE's defense has been stellar this season? Because it seems even many ISU fans aren't buying it.

[Future Walk-On]

defying the king is blasphemous and treason....i just thought i would point that out.

i wonder what the percentage of preseason POY's actually become the POY?

[tornado]

The POY has gone to a player on either the regular season Champion or Tourney Champion every year back to 2001, when Tarise Bryson won if when Indiana State was the regular season champion and Tourney Champ.

Prior to that it happened a bit more...

2000 - Creighton was the champ, but POY was Nate Green (InSU)
1999 - Crieghton was the champ, but POY was Marcus Wilson (UE)
1997 - ISU was Champ, but POY was Jason Daisy (UNI)
etc...

In the end, I doubt the guys who vote check with the past years to see what pattern to follow, and this year is indeed an odd year, where the best team may struggle now that their best player is out, and he, along with his teammates may not win the POY, so it may indeed go to someone on the teams in the 2-5 positions since they are all so closely packed.

If you listen to Tornado, OE wouldn't even start for Bradley...

of course I have neither said that nor hinted that, and have offered essentially well researched facts and stats....not just biased insults as some are prone to..

[cpacmel]

I was at that game in Normal, and I was not impressed with OEs defense. Andrew missed a bunch of open shots, but if you want to claim that was because of OE, go ahead.

I was at the game too. Funny how 2 people can view the same event and come up with 2 different views of it.

How was his defense on Harry Marshall in Terre Haute and in other games? It seemed he played at least 10 feet off Marshall that whole game, yet still managed to foul out while allowing Marshall one of the best games of his career.

Well Marshall was 1-3 from the FG in the first half. He ended with 18 points. He was 10 of 11 from the foul line. He didn't hit a single trey the entire game.

How was that one of his best games of his career? He had 29 points against Wichita State earlier in the season and 21 points on 2 other occasions.

Are you trying to make the case that OE's defense has been stellar this season? Because it seems even many ISU fans aren't buying it.

IMO, It's been good, at times great this season.

ISU fans have also been ripping Lloyd Phillips for the last 1.5 years. All he has done is produce big time as well.

[tornado]

I think Lloyd Phillips has been neck and neck with Dinma as ISU's MVP this season

[Braves4Life]

IMO the POY this year has to be Odiakosa. Shrek was a shoe-in until he blew it (literally, he blew above the legal limit )

[BradleyJD]

and as I said, check the play-by-play for yourself, OE has a lot of late game turnovers, fouls, and basically nothing but bad shots and plenty of misses...I didn't see many screens, deflections, or rebounds mentioned anywhere...
those are qualities of unselfish players and we're not seeing or hearing too many observers use those terms with OE.

I only asked if you found rebounds, steals, and deflections.

I don't care if he wins the award or not. Im not an ISU fan.

But I do think those things are important.

[Braves4Life]

I only asked if you found rebounds, steals, and deflections.

I don't care if he wins the award or not. Im not an ISU fan.

But I do think those things are important.

They were all important when Emmenecker from Drake won POY.

[BradleyJD]

of course I have neither said that nor hinted that, and have offered essentially well researched facts and stats....not just biased insults as some are prone to..

Yet when I asked about rebounds and defense, you said that POY voters don't use either of those stats. Is that a fact?

[lefty]

I'll give credit to OE for good defense at the end of the BU-ISU game, but why has has he not been playing good defense in the rest of ISU's games? In every ISU game I've seen, his defense this season has been lousy.

BTW, King-O scored only 7 points on 3-12 shooting in that game, with 1 rebound.

O didn't shoot well at BU but he still scared mewhen he went up for a shot.
He doesn't need much space.....He made a nice steal on a BU fastbreak in the second half and turned it into ISU shooting ft's.....and for some reason wasn't credited with a steal....unless that's been changed since