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This school isn't half as fun as it was 2 years ago, and hearing stories from 5 years ago blows my mind.
If you heard stories of 20 years ago I'm afraid you would blow a gasket. I'm one that believes that we are becoming a society due to insurance companies too much of a nanny state. I know some of my contemporaries will blame society for this development because times have changed with the demise of family values. I believe it is more of an economic challenge that universities are having to navigate due to the increased liabilities. Perhaps a bit of both is true but I'd find it real hard to believe that today's BU student body is any less mature then in yearssssss past. They have to grow up like we did eventually and why not in a controlled, safe environment like we had. Bad things have happened but in the real world really bad things happen every day. I thought P-town was a bit of a police state when I was there now it seems we are talking Gestapo like tactics.
Great, push it all underground where nothing good will come of it like everything else in society!
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??” Thomas Jefferson
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[QUOTE=SaintLouBrave22;162773]Who says you have to be completely inebriated to enjoy being at a basketball game?
Did not mean to imply this. Just being able to get together with friends anytime game night or not without having to worry about a task force. Since most freshmen and sophmores are not 21 they cannot pre-game like past students did. Cannot go to The Fieldhouse or a BWW and get in the mood like older Bradley fans can.
This is definitely a non-issue. Task force isnt here on weekdays, unless it is halloween or something of that nature. Pregaming and such simply doesnt happen because students dont even know there is a game that day and/or no attempts have been made to actively get them there by BU marketing.
Your right , no task force presence during the week but the weekends are a different story. Certainly not every weekend but I am just saying... alot more than before. You are also right about students not being tuned in on game day. It doesn't get any cheaper for a ticket and transportation.
like i said...it is hard for kids who have never heard of BU basketball to come here and be instant die hards.
if this was any big time program nationally it would be diff.
i imagine they would have to come here and hear about our team being good....then maybe more would be interested from the beginning
IMO, if they never heard of BU basketball they aren't basketball fans to begin with. It's the one's who are basketball fans who disappoint me when they don't show to support their team, win or lose.
and its a shame... Because I KNOW that arena can ROCK. Case and point, that arena was the loudest I have ever heard it for the Michigan State game. The only time i have seen the entire arena stand and scream the entire game.
This was very similar to the ODU NIT game back in 1994. Now THAT was loud! And I remember the crowd at several other games I went to was loud as well, especially in games where Bradley fell way behind but made comebacks in the second half. The crowd actually did what they were supposed to do and rallied the team to a comeback, not acting passive and waiting for Bradley to spark their own rally.
That's the problem with this place at times, and it's embarrassing to watch a game on national or regional tv and hearing a pin drop!
Having said that though, the crowd should be jacked next Tuesday against archrival ISU red and on Saturday the 13th against Top 25 UNI. If not, we're in REAL trouble!
Another thing that might hurt the size of the student section is that most of the students who are not from Peoria have no idea about the history of Bradley basketball. Coming in as a freshman I had no idea that Bradley was once a national power. I had heard of Hersey Hawkins but other then that didn't know anything. The Sweet 16 really got students fired up, but after that there has been a rapid decline of interest. Just this year, I think how and when we lost our games hurt us. There was a buzz on campus after the win over Illinois, but the next two home games were Western Carolina and Loyola. That might have pretty much killed off the excitement for a lot of the more fair-weather students. There might have been a chance to build a little more of the student fan base after the MSU, SIU and Evansville wins, but the losing to Creighton and then getting blown out at isu stopped any momentum that could have been gained.
Also, the lack of a big name home opponent didn't help. Don't take this as an insult, I think we had a schedule that set us up for a chance at an at-large if we would have won the games we needed too and I realize that big name schools are not exactly lining up to play here, but there was no Michigan State or Butler or any other "name" school that students would get pumped up to go see.
Well there are no excuses next week. If Illinois St. and Top 25 Northern Iowa can't attract students to those games, then things are more hopeless than I thought! You can't get any better "name" schools during the conference season than these two! Hopefully the atmosphere will be much different next week, but again it starts with a win at Evansville this Saturday.
Yeah the police have been known to use some unsavory tactics to score big ticket counts at Bradley and other schools. Furthermore, the student body is getting better about it. I know there have been quite a few tickets having been thrown out due to cameras, primarily at fraternity houses, catching police entering premises illegally to catch people for ticketing purposes.
It should however be noted that this isn't a Bradley problem. it is a state wide task force in Illinois - spurred by the premise of undermining under-aged drinking, but doesn't really appear to actually combat the problem. I know when I was on the student government exec board, I heard regularly from trustees and university board members very much against this policy. In fact i remember distinctly having a conversation with a trustee about a letter he had received from the parents of a student that had been ticketed while standing outside his fraternity house having a beer with his parents on parents weekend, he was under-aged. He got a ticket, and the parents got a ticket for providing alcohol to a minor. needless to say, he was not thrilled by the letter. They saw it as a deterrent for students to want to come to Bradley.
As for how any of this relates to bball - I don;t think it plays much a role. I've never really seen a task force troop come knocking that early in the day. Assuming you are pregaming for a standard 7 o clock game, you'd probably start drinking at like 5 at the latest in most instances, and the task force kinda prided itself on the ability to bust up big late night parties where they could use the guise of noise violation as their premise. Also small groups aren't really appealing, they are literally going for like 20-60 tickets at a time, judging from the cases i saw during my stint in student government.
Barging in off-campus housing is illegal without a warrant or probably cause. So, if that is happening then students need to find out what their rights are.
Hmmm. Maybe that's why I can't get the video to Channelsurfing.net games on my computer this year. The "BU Gestapo" must be blocking my computer!
Yeah the police have been known to use some unsavory tactics to score big ticket counts at Bradley and other schools. Furthermore, the student body is getting better about it. I know there have been quite a few tickets having been thrown out due to cameras, primarily at fraternity houses, catching police entering premises illegally to catch people for ticketing purposes.
It should however be noted that this isn't a Bradley problem. it is a state wide task force in Illinois - spurred by the premise of undermining under-aged drinking, but doesn't really appear to actually combat the problem. I know when I was on the student government exec board, I heard regularly from trustees and university board members very much against this policy. In fact i remember distinctly having a conversation with a trustee about a letter he had received from the parents of a student that had been ticketed why standing outside his fraternity house having a beer with his parents on parents weekend, he was under-aged. He got a ticket, and the parents got a ticket for providing alcohol to a minor.
As for how any of this relates to bball - I don;t think it plays much a role. I've never really seen a task force troop come knocking that early in the day. Assuming you are pregaming for a standard 7 o clock game, you'd probably start drinking at like 5 at the latest in most instances, and the task force kinda prided itself on the ability to bust up big late night parties where they could use the guise of noise violation as their premise. Also small groups aren't really appealing, they are literally going for like 20-60 tickets at a time, judging from the cases i saw during my stint in student government.
Well, if the cops want to curb underage drinking, why don't they just issue warrants? Before someone says otherwise, I am most certainly not defending illegal behavior by the police, but at the same time I don't want to be killed by a drunk driver either! I know underage drinking is part of the college "experience", and if done discreetly I don't think anyone will notice, but at the same time I certainly don't want to encourage it either for the very reason I gave above.
And yes, as far as any relation to basketball, I don't think it plays much of a role either. I rarely drink, and I certainly don't need to drink to get into the spirit of the game.
Just give me a shot of caffenine from a can of Pepsi and you can see how "wild" I can get!
No i agree completely. The problem with the program was always that bradley had zero ability to tailor the terms of their work to the needs of bradley because the task force didn't even necessarily involve local bu or Peoria pd. The thing kinda just steamrolled into what it is now. It is also made much worse by the atmosphere and the relationship between the local and state police and the student body. it used to be, that bu pd at least took a more relaxed tone to drinking - if you were going home, respectful, not being rowdy, indoors, not at all in a car or appeared to be going to a car, etc. they would let you pass - that has changed, and really hasn't been the policy for a number of years now. It was nice to know that when you registered a party on campus, you were fairly certain the police would not show up, that is commonly not the case anymore, or wasn't for my last two years. Especially between fraternities and the police, the attitude quickly became "Us vs. Them". to the point where i know it was common for my later years at school, for huge portions of the student body to leave campus and head to ISU, or Illinois, for weekends when the task force was known to be in town - which as you would imagine kinda caused a great deal more drunk driving.
Having said that though, the crowd should be jacked next Tuesday against archrival ISU red and on Saturday the 13th against Top 25 UNI. If not, we're in REAL trouble!
Well there are no excuses next week. If Illinois St. and Top 25 Northern Iowa can't attract students to those games, then things are more hopeless than I thought! You can't get any better "name" schools during the conference season than these two! Hopefully the atmosphere will be much different next week, but again it starts with a win at Evansville this Saturday.
I actually feel confident in saying that Tuesday vs. ISU won't be a problem, but you keep referring to Top 25 UNI and besides those that go to the games, I am willing to bet that very few on campus even know that UNI is ranked. That should be a sell out as well as the ISU game, but I bet you see a drop in students after the ISU game.
i still think it is weird that at 20 years old you can be in iraq defending your county and risking your life but you cant legally have a beer with your pizza in us.(at least in ill.)
I actually feel confident in saying that Tuesday vs. ISU won't be a problem, but you keep referring to Top 25 UNI and besides those that go to the games, I am willing to bet that very few on campus even know that UNI is ranked. That should be a sell out as well as the ISU game, but I bet you see a drop in students after the ISU game.
Or BU could win by 15 and the students who haven't been to a game all year have a blast and want to keep coming. I think that was how it was with Mich. St. It got students out early in the year and got the students excited for the rest of the season.
"How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal, and you have to be willing to work for it." - Jim Valvano
Or BU could win by 15 and the students who haven't been to a game all year have a blast and want to keep coming. I think that was how it was with Mich. St. It got students out early in the year and got the students excited for the rest of the season.
Yes that is possible, but I was going more for the showing up because UNI is ranked argument lol. Heck I'd be as loud and obnoxious as Big Bird (inside joke) if that happened
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