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    Player development vs. the "system"

    Something a fellow fan and I were debating while planning our exit strategy from Redbird on Saturday, and something I've heard from those connected inside the program. Does our coaching staff work to develop individual players skill sets or do they work to mold the player to fit the system?

    To me, it appears that regardless of a player's abilities and tendencies, our focus is on turning them into a player that can run the system rather than getting the most out of thier abilities. Don't get me wrong, I understand that every successful college program and coach has a system or identity for the way their teams play. However, it would appear that our system, specifically the high pick and roll, small-ball, 3-point, no post system is limiting our success. A school like Bradley also doesn't have the luxury of recruiting players that naturally fit their system, they have to take the best available players that want to play here. Michigan St. can recruit guys that specifically fit their style of play and assemble a well balanced roster capable of running Izzo's system, we cannot.

    Running a less structured, free flowing offense would allow us to make better use of our athletes and paly more to our strengths. If I have to watch one more Egolf pick 30 feet from the basket that leads to nowhere, or even worse a good screen and show at the top of the key where the guard takes 3 dribbles without looking for the roll, I'm going to scream.
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    Our system maybe a bit too complicated for too many of our guys. Now with the emphasis on 4 year players hopefully the system can be fine tuned by year 3. I'm fine with the system though it does lean on athletic prowess and good shooting. Just keep away from the weave! LOL
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    • #3
      Dean Smith ran a "system". Jordan, Perkins, and other NBA players had their stats and skill sets held in check to fit into this system. Coach K has a system. Hill, Laettner and other NBA players also had their stats and skill sets held in check to fit into this system.

      I think most good coaches look to find a winning system and will continue to run that "system" over their career..... making the player fit into that system. I think the knock on Les is that he has altered his system on a yearly basis to fit his players; I don't know of any coaches or programs that have any consistency by changing their system to fit the players.

      Love it or hate it I think Les has finally decided to stick with his "system" and make his players fit that system. Unfortunately, the players have either chosen not to buy into that system (Les' words after last game) OR his "system" is not a winning system.

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      • #4
        We hear the word 'system', but can anyone define what it is? What is it that BU is known for or does well? I think it was easily identifiable in 2006-2007, we were the undersized team that shot 3's, and did it darn well. Can anyone really tell me what it was before or since? The Sweet 16 team had an NBA center and was athletic and played good defense. That sure as heck didn't become our 'system', because our defense is annually among the worst in the conference. It wasn't the system before the Sweet 16 year either. So we hear 'system', but I am not sure anyone can define what our system is.
        Onward and Upward!

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        • #5
          Based on enough comments from opposing coaches and what JL has mentioned, I think we try to employ a Pheonix Sun's type system. (Not that I could describe how to execute it). I might say we try to run a hedge fund, gambling on numbers. Play passing lanes rather at the expense of leaving a "bad" shooter open, create spacing for open shots rather than being in good rebounding position... and all deficiencies are to be madeup with speed.


          I have somewhat always thought there is too much "freedom" within this system, a "freedom" that relies a little too much on being basketball smart and making your own good decision rather than just running the play(s) drawn up by the coach. - ever notice we are quite sucessful running set out of bounds plays? Some coaches run a system that is actually dozens if not hundreds of set plays. Learn A B and C, do A B and C and you are sucessful, Instead we are running a theory that may be harder for most players to grasp.

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          • #6
            I say we go to the system that we used in '05-'06!!!
            I remember that Coach Les and the players seemed so relaxed and confident going into the UNI game and we pummeled them by 25, and UNI was a bubble team.
            They are not currently making smart plays - can't rely on Sammy dribbling around and firing when there's a crack, or AW charging into guys out of control. Or CR doing whatever he's doing lately.
            I think confidence and smarts go hand-in-hand.
            We had a bunch of confident guys on the Sweet 16 team.
            As I watch them play this year, I feel as nervous as they look out there.

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            • #7
              That confident team was when we had a lottery pick for a big man and that allowed us to shoot 25-30 three's a game. We don't have that big man presence this yr and is not getting open enough to shoot a lot of 3's that Les would probably like to do.

              Jason



              Originally posted by LittleBrave View Post
              I say we go to the system that we used in '05-'06!!!
              I remember that Coach Les and the players seemed so relaxed and confident going into the UNI game and we pummeled them by 25, and UNI was a bubble team.
              They are not currently making smart plays - can't rely on Sammy dribbling around and firing when there's a crack, or AW charging into guys out of control. Or CR doing whatever he's doing lately.
              I think confidence and smarts go hand-in-hand.
              We had a bunch of confident guys on the Sweet 16 team.
              As I watch them play this year, I feel as nervous as they look out there.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jasonpeoria911 View Post
                That confident team was when we had a lottery pick for a big man .

                Jason
                Exactly jason! And how many guys from that team have or are playing pro ball somewhere? There is absolutely NO comparison between that team and this team. I believe they were one of the more talented teams in BU history.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Braves4Life View Post
                  Exactly jason! And how many guys from that team have or are playing pro ball somewhere? There is absolutely NO comparison between that team and this team. I believe they were one of the more talented teams in BU history.
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                  5 starters (DR, TB, JJ, MS, POB) and another 4 on the bench (LW, ZA, WF, JC)
                  Completely different team makeup, (2) 7' centers, 6'-5"+ guards on the bench...

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