D-1 coaches in the last eight years

[rsmit84]

First of all the reason of the first ?rediculous? post was not to show how bad of a coach anybody is. Never once did I say that and I dont appreciate you putting words in my mouth. Maybe you should reread the post with your goggles off.
Second, why do you feel the need to attack my list of FACTS by calling it rediculous? Do you really think the criteria is that narrowed. Eight years coaching, no tourney win or 3rd place finish. Pretty simple actually. Im sorry you see everything as an attack but the reason for the list is quite innocent and simple. In the ?outcoached? thread I saw a post about us meeting those criteria and I thought it wouid be interesting to see what other schools did. No agenda, no fire Jim Les remark, nothing. Im sorry that you feel this was unfair but my feeling is if it was a similar list that showed Jim Les in a more positive light you would have praised me for my long work instead of belittiing me.

[squirrelgotdead]

By that logic, we also sit next to Florida St, which isn't that bad.

Well, because they are in the ACC and do get the NCAA from time-to-time. But they haven't been a true deep NCAA threat since the Kennedy-Ward days. And that was 20 years ago.

[TheAsianSensation]

Well, I didn't really read through the thread when it was first posted, so that's why there's the delayed response.

Cripes! The original premise of this whole thread was to suggest that there aren't more than a handful of coaches in D1 who are worse than Jim Les.
I merely tried to debunk the faulty logic that was used, to show that there around 200 "or more" coaches who have not had the success that Jim Les has had. And now you are trying to accuse me of comparing him to bad coaches? Absurd- I proved just the opposite.

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was basically saying that your post didn't really say much - with 347 D-1 coaches, saying he's better than 200 of them really doesn't mean anything, negative OR positive.

First of all the reason of the first ?rediculous? post was not to show how bad of a coach anybody is. Never once did I say that and I dont appreciate you putting words in my mouth.

I sure as heck didn't say or imply that. I didn't say the post was bashing Les or anything like that. I'm saying that I feel the comparison is not as relevant as others may think.

In fact, my whole post is about how we should define program expectations. Never did I say we should define them negatively or positively. Just about HOW they should be defined. I never took any pro-Les or anti-Les view in my post.

I never saw this thread as an attack. I did acknowledge it was good research, I just didn't feel it was relevant to anything.

And I never said anything about you or charactized you in any way. I said at the beginning of that rant, "to the general public". I wasn't even talking to you, c'mon.

I never implied my agenda on that post, positive or negative. In fact, I'm quite careful to avoid making ANY comments that put me on either the anti-Les side or the pro-Les side. I am as neutral as possible.

[rsmit84]

sorry for the confusion as my post was addressing da coach since apparently he knows my hidden agenda for this thread

[BRADLEY FAN 49]

First of all, I beg to the powers that be not to delete this because it took me hours to research. Second, I am not presenting this in a malicious manner. I was simply curious and thought it would be an interesting thread. So here it goes...

The following is a list of coaches that meet the following criteria:

-coaches for a D-1 college basketball team
-has coached same team for 8 or more seasons. (present day to 2002)
-has not finished 3rd or higher in their conference or won their conference tournament

Jim Les- 8 seasons as Bradley (MVC) coach. Has made 1 NCAA appearance. Made Sweet 16

Leonard Hamilton- 8 seasons as Florida State (ACC) coach. Has made NCAA. Been ranked in top 25

Bill Carmody- 10 seasons as Northwestern (Big 10) coach. Been ranked in top 25

Derek Waugh- 10 seasons as Stetson (Atlantic Sun) coach

Mike Young- 8 seasons as Wofford (Southern) coach. Currently 2nd in conference.

Those are the ones I'm sure about. The following are current D-1 schools but I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) they havent been D-1 for 8 seasons:

Tony Ingle- 10 seasons as Kennesaw State coach

Rick Scruggs- 15 seasons as Gardner-Webb coach

Scott Nagy- 15 seasons as South Dakota St. coach

If anybody knows of any omissions please feel free to add. Its possible I missed one or two out of 300 something schools.

Here to me is why this makes no sense.

The Big Ten & the A.C.C. are better conferences than the valley.

The other conferences are weaker than the valley.
If we had had the same teams in these weaker conferences we would have done just fine.

It's silly to compare them and there coaches.

If J.L. is here another 2 -3 years he will get the job done.

I for one am satisfied with what he has done and hope he stays.

Being there when we beat Pittsburg is something I will always remember, and J.L is who got that memory for me.

[TheAsianSensation]

sorry for the confusion as my post was addressing da coach since apparently he knows my hidden agenda for this thread

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