D-1 coaches in the last eight years

[rsmit84]

First of all, I beg to the powers that be not to delete this because it took me hours to research. Second, I am not presenting this in a malicious manner. I was simply curious and thought it would be an interesting thread. So here it goes...

The following is a list of coaches that meet the following criteria:

-coaches for a D-1 college basketball team
-has coached same team for 8 or more seasons. (present day to 2002)
-has not finished 3rd or higher in their conference or won their conference tournament

Jim Les- 8 seasons as Bradley (MVC) coach. Has made 1 NCAA appearance. Made Sweet 16

Leonard Hamilton- 8 seasons as Florida State (ACC) coach. Has made NCAA. Been ranked in top 25

Bill Carmody- 10 seasons as Northwestern (Big 10) coach. Been ranked in top 25

Derek Waugh- 10 seasons as Stetson (Atlantic Sun) coach

Mike Young- 8 seasons as Wofford (Southern) coach. Currently 2nd in conference.

Those are the ones I'm sure about. The following are current D-1 schools but I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) they havent been D-1 for 8 seasons:

Tony Ingle- 10 seasons as Kennesaw State coach

Rick Scruggs- 15 seasons as Gardner-Webb coach

Scott Nagy- 15 seasons as South Dakota St. coach

If anybody knows of any omissions please feel free to add. Its possible I missed one or two out of 300 something schools.

[Carver Arena Guy]

A lot of really nice guys on that list.

[rsmit84]

was surprised to see Hamilton made the cut but then again he has to contest with Duke, UNC, Wake, Clemson, etc. every year. Real good coach IMO

[BradleyBrave]

A lot of really nice guys on that list.

We know where nice guys finish.

[ER3]

We know where nice guys finish.

4th, 5th, and 6th in the conference???

[ManMythLegend]

We know where nice guys finish.

3rd - 6th? Heh.

[electricmayhem]

Excellent work. I don't see anything wrong with stating facts. I'm just tired of baseless opinions.

[Future Walk-On]

I also wonder what expectations are for many of those teams. I know that here we have HIGH expectations...maybe at kennesaw state, SDSU, etc... they just know they are at the bottom...or even teams like UN who are in tough conferences

[MacabreMob]

rsmit84, nice work - I have no clue if it is complete and correct but I take your word for it.

I just want to add a couple things...

Since you mentioned teams that got ranked, I coulda sworn Bradley got ranked in some final polls after the 06 Sweet 16.

Also - I responded in another thread before I read this one.

Here is my response (though it doesn't meet your criteria cause they won their Conf Trny in '07):

Miami-Ohio
Head Coach Charlie Coles (14th season)

After Wally "World" Szczerbiak and Miami-Oh's Sweet 16 in 1999 going 24-8....

99-00 15-15
00-01 17-16

(then the last 8 years)
01-02 13-18
02-03 13-15
03-04 18-11
04-05 19-11 *lost 1stR NIT
05-06 18-11 *lost 1stR NIT
06-07 18-15 *lost 1stR NCAA;won MAC Trny
07-08 17-16 *lost 1stR CBI
08-09 17-13

(and now currently)

09-10 6-13

Mediocre.

Fire Charlie Coles.

[rsmit84]

rsmit84, nice work - I have no clue if it is complete and correct but I take your word for it.

I just want to add a couple things...

Since you mentioned teams that got ranked, I coulda sworn Bradley got ranked in some final polls after the 06 Sweet 16.

Also - I responded in another thread before I read this one.

Here is my response (though it doesn't meet your criteria cause they won their Conf Trny in '07):

Miami-Ohio
Head Coach Charlie Coles (14th season)

After Wally "World" Szczerbiak and Miami-Oh's Sweet 16 in 1999 going 24-8....

99-00 15-15
00-01 17-16

(then the last 8 years)
01-02 13-18
02-03 13-15
03-04 18-11
04-05 19-11 *lost 1stR NIT
05-06 18-11 *lost 1stR NIT
06-07 18-15 *lost 1stR NCAA;won MAC Trny
07-08 17-16 *lost 1stR CBI
08-09 17-13

(and now currently)

09-10 6-13

Mediocre.

Fire Charlie Coles.

Yes, I thought about listing cases close to meeting the criteria but it would have been a huge post. There is no denying that there are several disappointing tenures in college basketball. One case that is this season away from meeting the criteria is Scott Drew at Baylor. Considering what that team went through however, I wouldnt consider that a bad coaching job at all.

PS You are absolutely correct, we were ranked at the end of the sweet 16 season. I wasnt trying to gloss over that fact just thought putting "made the sweet 16" was better than "was ranked in top 25"

[Da Coach]

Well of course if you set the criteria so carefully, you will not have many other coaches that fit it, other than Coach Les.
But there are many other coaches at D1 schools that have not had much success at winning conference championships or going to the NCAA very often, or who haven't had near the level of success as Jim Les has had.
Right here in Illinois we have the following coaches who began this year, who's resume's pale in comparison to Jim Les, and yet they have had more years to build their program than Jim Les had before people were calling for his job--
Jimmy Collins (UIC)
Mike Miller (EIU)
Jim Whitesell (Loyola)
Bill Carmody (Northwestern)
Jerry Wainwright (just fired by DePaul)
any current or recent coach at Chicago State, Western Illinois, or Northern Illinois.

And if I had the time, I could list another 150-200 or more D1 coaches as well who have not had, or will not have the success that JL has had.

[TheAsianSensation]

And if I had the time, I could list another 150-200 or more D1 coaches as well who have not had, or will not have the success that JL has had.

Not taking any sides, but I want to point this out: With 347 D-1 programs, that's basically saying that Jim Les is better than all but 150 coaches.


Now a statement more towards the general public: Stop trying to compare to other programs. The expectations of each program is different. Wofford has a different set of expectations. So does Northwestern. And DePaul. And everyone else. To try and equate the Les era with other coaches is futile because we're then defining success for Bradley compared to other programs. We should be defining success based on our crtieria given our opportunity to win and compete and generate revenue.

So, while the research is definitely insightful, there is no way any of it can be used to make an informed decision on what to do with our program in the future.

[SaintLouBrave22]

Not taking any sides, but I want to point this out: With 347 D-1 programs, that's basically saying that Jim Les is better than all but 150 coaches.


Now a statement more towards the general public: Stop trying to compare to other programs. The expectations of each program is different. Wofford has a different set of expectations. So does Northwestern. And DePaul. And everyone else. To try and equate the Les era with other coaches is futile because we're then defining success for Bradley compared to other programs. We should be defining success based on our crtieria given our opportunity to win and compete and generate revenue.

So, while the research is definitely insightful, there is no way any of it can be used to make an informed decision on what to do with our program in the future.

Maybe you're right in some aspect, but just showing that Bradley in the last 8 years sits among schools like Stetson and Wofford is pretty well a slap in the face...

[TheAsianSensation]

Maybe you're right in some aspect, but just showing that Bradley in the last 8 years sits among schools like Stetson and Wofford is pretty well a slap in the face...

By that logic, we also sit next to Florida St, which isn't that bad.

[Da Coach]

Not taking any sides, but I want to point this out: With 347 D-1 programs, that's basically saying that Jim Les is better than all but 150 coaches.


Now a statement more towards the general public: Stop trying to compare to other programs. The expectations of each program is different. Wofford has a different set of expectations. So does Northwestern. And DePaul. And everyone else. To try and equate the Les era with other coaches is futile because we're then defining success for Bradley compared to other programs. We should be defining success based on our crtieria given our opportunity to win and compete and generate revenue.

So, while the research is definitely insightful, there is no way any of it can be used to make an informed decision on what to do with our program in the future.

Cripes! The original premise of this whole thread was to suggest that there aren't more than a handful of coaches in D1 who are worse than Jim Les.
I merely tried to debunk the faulty logic that was used, to show that there around 200 "or more" coaches who have not had the success that Jim Les has had. And now you are trying to accuse me of comparing him to bad coaches? Absurd- I proved just the opposite.
Where was your criticism when the initial ridiculous logic was posted?