Fishy Voting in the "Rate Jim Les II poll...

[Da Coach]

ok

way to completely ignore what I asked you and continue attacking me

stop with the petty name calling

really I'm done with this now...some are going to believe what they want to believe no matter what and this is one of those instances but at least I'm not calling you guys out and calling you naive or something. I'm merely stating the facts and then the stipulations and saying that it needs to change if true. If you think because they pay the bills they can do w/e they want to ppl's accounts (illegal) then we have a fundamental disagreement with how message boards should be run & that won't change. So to each their own.

And by the way. I may be the only one posting about this but I have had a few posters message me and talk to me other ways that have told me they are behind me on this.

This I agree with....people can believe what they want.
I would ask this question- if someone here (and I am the only one with true administrating capability) wanted to influence a silly poll- why would they do it like was done, by loading way too many votes into the "A" category all at once so that it would be immediately obvious?
And then after it was discovered, do it again in a more obvious way the next day when the poll is reposted?
Whoever did this, obviously wanted it to be discovered quickly, and wanted to make it look embarrassing to this site.
Gee, I dunno...is there anyone who would want that?

I also find it more than just a bit odd this happened in a poll about Coach Les, and at this time, when the team is struggling. Situations like this are when we usually get an invasion of new anti-Jim Les posters. Coincidence? Maybe it wasn't so random after all, though I have no evidnece to make any accusations.

Unfortunately, we can't go any farther tracing this down. I would be glad to have any qualified expert review what happened, but wouldn't I be a little stupid to send out our administration passwords to someone I don't even know?

I am convinced it was an outside hacker, and a vBulletin expert says it could have been an outside hacker. I have already shown that this version of the vBulletin software has a reported vulnerability that apparently allows an attack like this.

http://www.vbseo.com/f220/vbulletin-3-8-4-pl1-3-7-6-pl1-3-6-12-pl2-released-37772/

I am told that a knowledgeable hacker would be able to do this even without knowing admin or user passwords, through a backdoor glitch in the software. We've been advised to do the upgrade, and that is in progress.

I don't doubt that some of the same people with an agenda against this site have tried to contact you, bradleyguy10, and others and tried to use this for their gain. Feel free to believe whatever and whoever you want.
I, too am done discussing this matter.

[tornado]

One further recommendation....each poster make sure your password is not something easy/simple like same as your screen name or "Bradley"....

[Braves4Life]

the mods do a pretty good job with keeping things around here civil for the most part, imo. I appreciate having a site that i can come to, find everything i want to about bu basketball, engage in a little light debate, and generally form my own opinions. Thanks fellas for the site and all you do.

ditto!

[BU RICK]

I agree, everyone should give it up. I'm sure some of us have an idea who may have stuffed the ballot box, many details of how to stuff a ballot box have been posted to us over the past few years. I'm sure it was all in good fun. Don't overreact to this, but it's been fun to read the posts. The Fed's should be hanging around ..... not BradleyFans

[Bradleyguy10]

I don't doubt that some of the same people with an agenda against this site have tried to contact you, bradleyguy10, and others and tried to use this for their gain. Feel free to believe whatever and whoever you want.
I, too am done discussing this matter.

Just for the record the people that have contacted me are not anti-BU. Why would I mention getting support from WSU, SIU, etc. fans? That wouldn't make sense. The people are active members on this site and have contacted me in ways that you or anybody here can't get to. Just stop. Stop making me the bad guy in this.

From now on when someone that has an anti-BU agenda and then does something that is clearly meant to be a positive thing on this board I will blindly agree that it makes complete sense and the knot is tied.

And stop telling people to go to different boards. It's like telling someone who voted for McCain to live in Canada. I've admitted a number of times this is a very good board for information and discussion. And really are there many public message boards that cost money to visit?

P.S. I thought you HAD contacted an expert? Honestly just curious, but can they not figure it out?

[Bradleyguy10]

I've been ready to put this behind. Let it go to the 2nd page and be forgotten about. Just stop calling me out and it all goes away. Like always.


And I know what it means...I don't need the link. I'm not an id*ot.

[Da Coach]

I should have said anti-Bradleyfans, not anti-BU.
I said I was done commenting, but just to clarify a couple things-
Yes, we have contacted experts- one at vBulletin, and also an indepenent software contracter who will add the software patch necessary to correct the problem.
The hacker cannot be traced because they were able to hide their IP. Their IP address shows up only as: .
Maybe your friends can tell you how that can be done, I don't know.
If a hacker can be charged with criminal action, then I suppose tracing could be carried out further by getting a warrant.
But in this case, we aren't able to pursue this further.

And finally- you are wrong- I have never accused you of "being the bad guy". It is in fact you who have made all the allegations, that someone here would fake the voting in the poll. That's ridiculous. But believe whatever you want.

[Bradleyguy10]

haha i didn't make the allegations. Remember I didn't even vote in the polls. I merely came on here a few days after it happened and couldn't believe something "fishy" happened again. Others (not me) were saying what they thought happened.

For instance I started neither of the threads that contain most of the content about what happened in the poll...


kudos for contacting an expert then

[Buesch N Chips]

thinking that there was no hacker persay...but that a person has that many IDs on this board.....used all IDs to vote.....just a guess of coarse...

I agree with this. Seems like Occum's razor.

[Da Coach]

Ockham theorized his "razor" to describe natural events.
It applies far less when human intent is involved.

[amckillip]

Wow... Really guys? I seriously can't fathom that this is that big a deal... Wow... I'd hate to see what would happen if we lost a couple more games. Here pretty soon DC, and tornado (even though he is not a moderator, nor has he been for a while...) are going to get a brick through each of their windows with threats... For being fans and (DC) for starting a message board... I know if I were in those shoes I'd definitely be inclined to continue forking over money to keep this going... for sure...

[Bradleyguy10]

lol now you are taking it to a whole other level that has not only never been mentioned but never even thought about

I honestly wish no one no harm haha just reform

[Bradleyguy10]

I agree with this. Seems like Occum's razor.

yep that one person had all accounts in alphabetical order too...since that's how the votes were (exactly alphabetical from A on down by ppl with 0 posts)...but of course you knew that since I said it earlier

[RoyalShock]

yep that one person had all accounts in alphabetical order too...since that's how the votes were (exactly alphabetical from A on down by ppl with 0 posts)...but of course you knew that since I said it earlier

I just read through this topic out of curiosity, being a former message board admin. I was finding it difficult to believe anyone could log into 10+ accounts and vote in a poll within roughly a minute.

If the assertion above is accurate (alphabetical order, old accounts with very few or zero posts), it sounds very much like a programmed script that searched through the database by username, checking post counts and dates, logging in (perhaps even altering the password), registering a vote, then blanking out the IP.

My experience is with phpBB, but unless vBulletin is that lax, I don't see it accepting any actions without an IP address. If I understand correctly, even proxy sites have an IP. They just mask your originating IP with their's.

It would require intimate knowledge of vBulletin and it's password encryption algorithm (assuming it uses one).

Just my $.02.

[Grassman]

Has anybody asked where Jim Les's Mom or Jody Les was, when these tresspasses occured?
Do they teach IP 101 at ND high, maybe it was Tyler?
dum Da da dum. It was Fiday morning and I was on the day watch------------------------