I support BU but dont give JL forever

[AZ BU Fan]

I am starting a new thread for people who support BU don't won't give JL forever to succeed.

I support BU MBB, thick or thin. My definition of support is to attend games whenever possible, support the program financially via Braves Club functions and apparel, follow their player and team results passionately, and promote the school/program whenever possible.

Supporting BU MBB and believing/expressing an opinion a change in coaching would help the program achieve more victories, higher MVC finishes, more MVC titles, and more NCAA/NIT appearances are not mutually exclusive in my world.

I separate JL the man, from JL the coach. JL the man is hard working, has integrity, and is very very personable/funny/likeable - a jock's jock.

JL the coach is inexperienced and aside from a great finish in 2005, has recruited and led a mediorce prgram in the other years of his tenure.

Next year is it for JL for me. He has all most all HIS players back with the most experience he has ever had.

If the program can't have major success next year, what is going to change with more years with JL?

[Braves4Life]

FWIW, I agree with you AZ BU Fan

[lake Camelot]

Not Me

Unless he turns it around this year or makes a run to win the whole MVC tourney and go to the NCAA, I don't give him next year. It is hard because I don't know about his contract. I however think this year is long enough.

[BradleyBrave]

Depending on how we finish, I only give him next year if he completely overhauls his coaching staff.

[bula-bloom]

Nicely worded!

I support BU MBB, thick or thin. My definition of support is to attend games whenever possible, support the program financially via Chiefs Club functions and apparel, follow their player and team results passionately, and promote the school/program whenever possible.

Supporting BU MBB and believing/expressing an opinion a change in coaching would help the program achieve more victories, higher MVC finishes, more MVC titles, and more NCAA/NIT appearances are not mutually exclusive in my world.

I separate JL the man, from JL the coach. JL the man is hard working, has integrity, and is very very personable/funny/likeable - a jock's jock.

JL the coach is inexperienced and aside from a great finish in 2005, has recruited and led a mediorce prgram in the other years of his tenure.

AZ, excellent point and well said -- my feelings exactly -- in other words, you can disagree with but still respect people (JL specifically, or posters with differing opinions, in general) without thinking they are negative or have horrible motives. One of the most thoughtful posts I've seen on this board. Nicely written!

[BradleyBrave]

Let's not forget that 2 of the last 4 coaches BU dismissed were alumni (Stowell and Albeck). JL is no different than they were - both were part of all-time great teams at this university. I think both are still held in pretty high regard on the Hilltop. JL will be too once his time is over.

[Da Coach]

The difference is that from what I hear, the administration and great majority of boosters agreed and felt it was time to replace those earlier coaches, and Mo, too, when it finally happened. And there are still some hard feelings that linger from every one of those firings.
As of now, despite the amount of dissent seen here on the message board about keeping JL as coach, there is not that kind of sentiment from the people that matter- the administration and major boosters.

[BradleyBrave]

The difference is that from what I hear, the administration and great majority of boosters agreed and felt it was time to replace those earlier coaches, and Mo, too, when it finally happened. And there are still some hard feelings that linger from every one of those firings.
As of now, despite the amount of dissent seen here on the message board about keeping JL as coach, there is not that kind of sentiment from the people that matter- the administration and major boosters.

Wow, kind of a slam. Saying that other smaller donors and casual fans don't matter is false. BU basketball doesn't survive without those people. There are only a handful of major boosters. Yes they're important, but they don't fill 11,000+ seats at Carver Arena.

How is it known Dr. Cross supports JL? He's only been on the job for 10 days.

[VeveJones007]

Hater

[Da Coach]

Wow, kind of a slam. Saying that other smaller donors and casual fans don't matter is false. BU basketball doesn't survive without those people. There are only a handful of major boosters. Yes they're important, but they don't fill 11,000+ seats at Carver Arena.

Now, that is not anywhere close to what I said, and it's not what anyone at Bradley thinks.
However, I do not think the majority of casual fans and smaller donors are saying to replace Jim Les, either.

But if you were an AD, and a handful of posters on a message board were clamoring for a coaching change, and there was no way to even tell if they were Bradley fans, attended games, or supported the university- would you listen to that as opposed to the direct feedback they are getting from people who provide hundreds of thousands of dollars each year in support?

And I don't know what Dr. Cross thinks. I wasn't referring to him. But I am sure he would love to hear from you.
He will be at every game, and I am sure you would be welcome to talk to him..

[BradleyBrave]

Now, that is not anywhere close to what I said, and it's not what anyone at Bradley thinks.
However, I do not think the majority of casual fans and smaller donors are saying to replace Jim Les, either.

But if you were an AD, and a handful of posters on a message board were clamoring for a coaching change, and there was no way to even tell if they were Bradley fans, attended games, or supported the university- would you listen to that as opposed to the direct feedback they are getting from people who provide hundreds of thousands of dollars each year in support?

As we know anonymous message board folks don't run the athletic department. However, letting people with money run the athletic department is not the way to do things either. At least it's not the way to do things if you want to be successful. It's the administration's job to do what's in the best interests of the athletic department and athletes, not to appease wealthy people and hire their handpicked choices. If it was the case, why even have an athletic department? Just let the rich folks pick who they want to coach!

[BradleyBrave]

And I don't know what Dr. Cross thinks. I wasn't referring to him. But I am sure he would love to hear from you.
He will be at every game, and I am sure you would be welcome to talk to him..

I'll probably drop him an email or say hello to him. I don't have the cash or clout to get his ear for more than 5 minutes. Maybe someday I will...but for now I am just a die-hard who spends a lot of time going to games and typing on message boards!

[AZ BU Fan]

Now, that is not anywhere close to what I said, and it's not what anyone at Bradley thinks.
However, I do not think the majority of casual fans and smaller donors are saying to replace Jim Les, either.

But if you were an AD, and a handful of posters on a message board were clamoring for a coaching change, and there was no way to even tell if they were Bradley fans, attended games, or supported the university- would you listen to that as opposed to the direct feedback they are getting from people who provide hundreds of thousands of dollars each year in support?

And I don't know what Dr. Cross thinks. I wasn't referring to him. But I am sure he would love to hear from you.
He will be at every game, and I am sure you would be welcome to talk to him..

DC - I guess the opinions of the big buck donors or the BU administration don't mean everything to me or my opinions. I am not so arrogant to think anyone cares about my opinion re JL staying on as coach of BU, or that what I/we say on this Forum means diddly to decision makers.

This Forum is for people to express their thoughts, feelings, or to discuss all things basketball. I don't think this is a Forum to blindly agree with BU administrators' support of JL, or, to make big buck backers feel good about their support of JL. It is about giving the little people a chance to discuss their opinions on BU's program, good or bad, to enjoy success, and to talk about what they think it takes to have more success.

Its our chance to be coaches, big buck donors or college administrators.

[BradleyBrave]

Now, that is not anywhere close to what I said, and it's not what anyone at Bradley thinks.
However, I do not think the majority of casual fans and smaller donors are saying to replace Jim Les, either.

But if you were an AD, and a handful of posters on a message board were clamoring for a coaching change, and there was no way to even tell if they were Bradley fans, attended games, or supported the university- would you listen to that as opposed to the direct feedback they are getting from people who provide hundreds of thousands of dollars each year in support?

And I don't know what Dr. Cross thinks. I wasn't referring to him. But I am sure he would love to hear from you.
He will be at every game, and I am sure you would be welcome to talk to him..

And I don't think JL has this immense support from the heavy donors that this post infers. I'm sure some will support him unconditionally forever, and I don't have a problem wit that. I'm not one of these heavy donors (obviously), but I do know a couple of them, and one specifically has told me that Jim had better win this year because he hasn't won $#% so far and enough was enough. I know this person has Glasser's ear on almost a daily basis. Whether that means anything, who knows. I just hear things and am told things.

[Da Coach]

DC - I guess the opinions of the big buck donors or the BU administration don't mean everything to me or my opinions. I am not so arrogant to think anyone cares about my opinion re JL staying on as coach of BU, or that what I/we say on this Forum means diddly to decision makers.

This Forum is for people to express their thoughts, feelings, or to discuss all things basketball. I don't think this is a Forum to blindly agree with BU administrators' support of JL, or, to make big buck backers feel good about their support of JL. It is about giving the little people a chance to discuss their opinions on BU's program, good or bad, to enjoy success, and to talk about what they think it takes to have more success.

Its our chance to be coaches, big buck donors or college administrators.

Well we care what you think! Thanks for your thoughtful input, as always AZ.