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  • #46
    Is anything Jim Les's fault? It's his team. His players. His program. He recruits the players, he runs the practices, he calls the timeouts, he makes the decisions on playing time. If nothing is the coach's fault, why do coaches get fired?

    This team has major issues if we're trying to make a point or send a message in a conference game by playing a walk-on at power forward ahead of a 6'10" 3-star recruit, and a 6'8" freshman who's already scored in double-figures in a game, both of whom are here on scholarship. Not trying to knock Ryan Phillips, because he did the best he could, but he's not a Division I basketball player. Why is he playing? Why are we redshirting Jordan Prosser if we have to play Ryan Phillips in a conference game?

    I don't think there's any denying that we have two all-conference caliber players in Andrew Warren and Taylor Brown. That SHOULD be enough to be a top half team, perhaps even contend for a league title. We're going to be really lucky to not play-in. How is that even possible?

    I was no huge Molinari fan but at least he won home games and won conference games. We're 8 years in, still under .500 overall in league play, and going nowhere fast. This season is toast. Copy this down and shove it back in my face if I am wrong.
    Onward and Upward!

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    • #47
      BradleyBrave I couldn't agree more!!!!
      Go small or go home!

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      • #48
        Originally posted by BradleyBrave View Post
        Is anything Jim Les's fault? It's his team. His players. His program. He recruits the players, he runs the practices, he calls the timeouts, he makes the decisions on playing time. If nothing is the coach's fault, why do coaches get fired?

        This team has major issues if we're trying to make a point or send a message in a conference game by playing a walk-on at power forward ahead of a 6'10" 3-star recruit, and a 6'8" freshman who's already scored in double-figures in a game, both of whom are here on scholarship. Not trying to knock Ryan Phillips, because he did the best he could, but he's not a Division I basketball player. Why is he playing? Why are we redshirting Jordan Prosser if we have to play Ryan Phillips in a conference game?

        I don't think there's any denying that we have two all-conference caliber players in Andrew Warren and Taylor Brown. That SHOULD be enough to be a top half team, perhaps even contend for a league title. We're going to be really lucky to not play-in. How is that even possible?

        I was no huge Molinari fan but at least he won home games and won conference games. We're 8 years in, still under .500 overall in league play, and going nowhere fast. This season is toast. Copy this down and shove it back in my face if I am wrong.
        Spot on! Great post.

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        • #49
          ...where to start...

          1. I was in not my normal seats tonight...I heard the boos somewhat amongst the screaming SIU fans behind their bench (Fay's parents etc)....who got the best of my cocky ass from the first half. The fight song also drowned them out a bit. I liked the boos as I was laughing to myself because of what I just saw. The worst 5 minutes of Bradley Basketball I have ever seen.

          2. Can I throw in my vote to not play the fight song after we lose? just my opinion....i hate it.

          3. I have never thought JL brings something to the table worth keeping besides his past. I called for him getting canned towards the end of the season before we eventually went to the Sweet 16 that saved his a$$ IMO (although it seems it would be hard to fire him). And he always subs out at bad times....MK against Loyola for example. from personal experience the assistants don't do much...

          4. This may go in the "do not discuss" section of this board...butttt I CAN'T STAND SCHOOLS AND POLITICS. people are calling a certain player on BU matching up against Fay ....a tough matchup? IT ISNT EVEN A ****ING MATCHUP. This player can not match up with any player in MVC. and someone tell me why he is on the team... politics. I don't know who everyone on here is but i still hope i remain anonymous. MK not getting a minute but this player is? and he is guarding a player bigger than half our team combined? the laws of physics shouldnt even allow that to happen. i went to a private high school most from peoria are probably familiar with and now Bradley. it was evident in high school too ..it is gross.

          5. What happened to (what i believe was..) the 1-3-1 zone that was smothering Freeman and Dillard on the perimeter that we ran for one possession. Basketball wasn't a sport I played in high school so I can't break it down as well as I do football or baseball....but it appeared to me that this was decently successful. There is something about a 3-pointer that ignites a team more than anything. why not smother the perimeter and let them work to get hard earned points in the paint? booker was non existent till his tip in over SS (if WE was there it would not have happened). i mean slow earned 2's are better than raining 3's. i don't even know what happened when dillard has NO ONE within ten feet of him and pops.

          6. Team needs a PG. Preferably a Rajon Rondo type. TB and AW can score we just need a set-up man. And I'll take AW taking the final shot to tie over SM in this situation....we also need an enforcer.... the trevor booker type preferably lol

          7. We have 2 players that any team in the valley would die for. AW has the most NBA like game of anyone in the conference....a team with 2 possible 1st teamers and stuff like tonight happens.

          So anyways Bradley, Illinois (FB and BB), the Bears, and the Cards have done enough to me this past year.
          I need to bandwagon with Florida, Duke, Texas, the New England Pats, the Boston Sox, and the Yankees like my awful friends

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          • #50
            Originally posted by wily coyote View Post
            CB said " kids should never be booed. News flash CB the boos were not aimed at the kids. I've always heard we had knowledgible fans and I think we surely do. I have never booed a Coach, official or player but our fans were booing the TICKING TIME BOMB. That last 4 minutes were very poor. The first 36 the best we have played.
            Well, I'm glad someone knows the exact reason why each person was booing. I hope you told the recruits at the game that those people were actually booing the "TICKING TIME BOMB".
            ???People say, ???Forget last year', but I want our guys to remember that one, because that will not happen again. We will be much better.??? Geno Ford, 9/22/12

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            • #51
              Originally posted by shaunguth View Post
              I certainly hope nobody was booing our players tonight! Anyone that was should just stay home and find something else to do.
              I'm afraid that's whats going to happen, then what?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by SFP View Post
                Yes! JL needs a seasoned bench coach! EM should have played more and we should have ran our through AW! If he was not hitting his shot he was being fouled. EM was putting pressure on their guards and disrupting any flow thay had on O.
                You call that person a seasoned bench coach, I call him a babysitter.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                  JL's coaching did not lose this game. Turnovers late and clutch shooting by SIU is what lost it. I don't see how that's the coach's fault.
                  goingh zone after a Time out WAS the coaches fault....TURNING POINT .....come on JL take the credit for that one!
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Da Coach View Post
                    JL's coaching did not lose this game. Turnovers late and clutch shooting by SIU is what lost it. I don't see how that's the coach's fault.
                    I didn't get online last night when I was mad, because I didn't want to say something I would regret. First off I did not boo. I haven't read the rest of the thread yet so it may be covered already. It only took one comment to wind me up again. This is the exact opposite of how I feel. I feel this loss is totally on Les. Why with the lead would you come out of the timeout in a zone with the way they had been hitting 3's. I know it was to confuse them and slow them down, but it was the dumbest thing I have seen in years. Then not calling timeout when we were in trouble on the press. Leaving the players wide open on 3's was a combination of coaching and players. I have always said it was crazy to mention Les being in trouble as far as his job. I think if they don't turn it around the rest of the season he should go. He has proven over time he is not a very good game coach. He has been able to recruit fairly well over time, but that can only get you so far.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mrcoachdude View Post
                      goingh zone after a Time out WAS the coaches fault....TURNING POINT .....come on JL take the credit for that one!
                      Originally posted by lake Camelot View Post
                      First off I did not boo. I feel this loss is totally on Les. Why with the lead would you come out of the timeout in a zone with the way they had been hitting 3's. ......it was the dumbest thing I have seen in years.
                      Yep! That zone was NOT a smart move!! And the offensive sets in the last minute REALLY looked bad. I know the players did not execute but the plays just looked bad. If that first one to AW had not gone out of bounce AW would have been trapped in the corner.

                      And, for the record, I saw a lot of bad BU games and teams in my day and NEVER once considered booing...... It never even entered my mind! To me it's like kicking a family member when they're down.

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                      • #56
                        Giving up 14 points in 90 seconds translates to giving up 373 points for a 40 minute game. It seem's like the team is operating under Murphy's law. I hope they find a way to turn things around.

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                        • #57
                          SIU played very well, especially at the end when it mattered....
                          our guys will learn from this one and be better...they were totally devastated by the outcome..they know they let this one get away and 50 more people telling them isn't going to make it more clear..

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by tornado View Post
                            SIU played very well, especially at the end when it mattered....
                            our guys will learn from this one and be better...they were totally devastated by the outcome..they know they let this one get away and 50 more people telling them isn't going to make it more clear..
                            What about learning from the last 3 home games!!!

                            Same story every game, every year. This is way past getting old.
                            When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by tornado View Post
                              SIU played very well, especially at the end when it mattered....
                              our guys will learn from this one and be better...they were totally devastated by the outcome..they know they let this one get away and 50 more people telling them isn't going to make it more clear..
                              You make a great point tornado. For 35+ minutes BU played relatively well and at times dominated SIU. They showed me that if they can get their act together they are a team that can definately make noise in the MVC and have the talent to get hot and run the MVC table in March. We must remember that many of our guys really have very little big game experience and are learning "on the job".

                              If this team learns its lessons and begin to apply them soon we can still win this league. I, for one, am NOT jumping off the BU Bandwagon (never have/ never will)

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Future Walk-On View Post
                                ...where to start...

                                1. I was in not my normal seats tonight...I heard the boos somewhat amongst the screaming SIU fans behind their bench (Fay's parents etc)....who got the best of my cocky ass from the first half. The fight song also drowned them out a bit. I liked the boos as I was laughing to myself because of what I just saw. The worst 5 minutes of Bradley Basketball I have ever seen.

                                2. Can I throw in my vote to not play the fight song after we lose? just my opinion....i hate it.

                                3. I have never thought JL brings something to the table worth keeping besides his past. I called for him getting canned towards the end of the season before we eventually went to the Sweet 16 that saved his ass IMO (although it seems it would be hard to fire him). And he always subs out at bad times....MK against Loyola for example. from personal experience the assistants don't do much...

                                4. This may go in the "do not discuss" section of this board...butttt I CAN'T STAND SCHOOLS AND POLITICS. people are calling a certain player on BU matching up against Fay ....a tough matchup? IT ISNT EVEN A ****ING MATCHUP. This player can not match up with any player in MVC. and someone tell me why he is on the team... politics. I don't know who everyone on here is but i still hope i remain anonymous. MK not getting a minute but this player is? and he is guarding a player bigger than half our team combined? the laws of physics shouldnt even allow that to happen. i went to a private high school most from peoria are probably familiar with and now Bradley. it was evident in high school too ..it is gross.

                                5. What happened to (what i believe was..) the 1-3-1 zone that was smothering Freeman and Dillard on the perimeter that we ran for one possession. Basketball wasn't a sport I played in high school so I can't break it down as well as I do football or baseball....but it appeared to me that this was decently successful. There is something about a 3-pointer that ignites a team more than anything. why not smother the perimeter and let them work to get hard earned points in the paint? booker was non existent till his tip in over SS (if WE was there it would not have happened). i mean slow earned 2's are better than raining 3's. i don't even know what happened when dillard has NO ONE within ten feet of him and pops.

                                6. Team needs a PG. Preferably a Rajon Rondo type. TB and AW can score we just need a set-up man. And I'll take AW taking the final shot to tie over SM in this situation....we also need an enforcer.... the trevor booker type preferably lol

                                7. We have 2 players that any team in the valley would die for. AW has the most NBA like game of anyone in the conference....a team with 2 possible 1st teamers and stuff like tonight happens.

                                So anyways Bradley, Illinois (FB and BB), the Bears, and the Cards have done enough to me this past year.
                                I need to bandwagon with Florida, Duke, Texas, the New England Pats, the Boston Sox, and the Yankees like my awful friends
                                A couple of points to address here as I fundamentally disagree with some topics on your post.

                                Point 3. You obviously missed the season after the Sweet 16 year and last year as far as JL's coaching ability. I am not saying that JL is a great coach, but the coaching job done in those 2 years was very good. After saying this, I will admit that JL is not having a good year on the coaching front this year.

                                Point 4. Why bash this player? It was the staff that sent him in to guard Fay not the player. He is a decent guy and good player in HS. IMO, your point here looses credibility and reeks of a personal agenda.
                                Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

                                ???It??™s awful hard,??™??™ said Illini freshman guard D.J. Richardson, the former Central High School guard who played prep school ball a few miles from here and fought back tears outside the locker room. ???It??™s a hometown thing. It??™s bragging rights.??™

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