2001-2009 League Finish Matrices

[squirrelgotdead]

BU: 2,8,5,6,8,5,4,5,4
CU: 1,1,2,2,3,2,2,4,1
DU: 7,5,8,6,7,7,7,1,8
UE: 6,9,5,8,9,7,7,10,5
IlSU: 2,3,8,10,6,9,7,2,3
InSU: 4,9,10,8,9,9,10,7,8
MSU: 7,4,3,5,5,2,3,7,10
UNI: 10,7,7,2,3,5,5,5,1
SIU: 4,1,1,1,1,2,1,3,5
WSU: 9,5,3,2,2,1,6,9,5

Table:

2.00 Creighton
2.11 Southern Illinois
4.67 Wichita State
5.00 Northern Iowa
5.11 Missouri State
5.20 Bradley
5.55 Illinois State
6.20 Drake
7.33 Evansville
8.22 Indiana State

[Bravesfan]

Yeah it's interesting when you look at things like that. Of course this is not a great ten year average, but we still have that Sweet 16 and two NIT trips in that span. Obviously the next goal is to try to start a streak of top 3 finishes with a Valley championship thrown in there once in awhile.

[squirrelgotdead]

Depending on where Illinois State and Missouri State finish in relation to Bradley this year, over the decade Bradley and Illinois State would both be fighting to avoid being a play-in team over the decade.

[BradleyBrave]

Well at least we're ahead of ISU...for now.

[dogsrus]

BU: 2,8,5,6,8,5,4,5,4
CU: 1,1,2,2,3,2,2,4,1
DU: 7,5,8,6,7,7,7,1,8
UE: 6,9,5,8,9,7,7,10,5
IlSU: 2,3,8,10,6,9,7,2,3
InSU: 4,9,10,8,9,9,10,7,8
MSU: 7,4,3,5,5,2,3,7,10
UNI: 10,7,7,2,3,5,5,5,1
SIU: 4,1,1,1,1,2,1,3,5
WSU: 9,5,3,2,2,1,6,9,5

Table:

2.00 Creighton
2.11 Southern Illinois
4.67 Wichita State
5.00 Northern Iowa
5.11 Missouri State
5.20 Bradley
5.55 Illinois State
6.20 Drake
7.33 Evansville
8.22 Indiana State

Yeah but........

[BradleyBrave]

What's more disturbing is that we haven't even had a fluke MVC Tournament title run in 21 years. I am not a hard person to please...just give me one of those!

[Da Coach]

BU: 2,8,5,6,8,5,4,5,4
CU: 1,1,2,2,3,2,2,4,1
DU: 7,5,8,6,7,7,7,1,8
UE: 6,9,5,8,9,7,7,10,5
IlSU: 2,3,8,10,6,9,7,2,3
InSU: 4,9,10,8,9,9,10,7,8
MSU: 7,4,3,5,5,2,3,7,10
UNI: 10,7,7,2,3,5,5,5,1
SIU: 4,1,1,1,1,2,1,3,5
WSU: 9,5,3,2,2,1,6,9,5

Table:

2.00 Creighton
2.11 Southern Illinois
4.67 Wichita State
5.00 Northern Iowa
5.11 Missouri State
5.20 Bradley
5.55 Illinois State
6.20 Drake
7.33 Evansville
8.22 Indiana State

Here are the same numbers over the last 4 full seasons (from the BU fans' perspective of allowing for the last 4 years that Jim Les has had his own recruits).
Note that there have been only 3 teams with a better average finish than BU, and UNI is only slightly better based on last season's tie for #1.-

BU-5,4,5,4
CU- 2,2,4,1
DU- 7,7,1,8
UE-- 7,7,10,5
IlSU- 9,7,2,3
InSU- 9,10,7,8
MSU- 2,3,7,10
UNI- 5,5,5,1
SIU- 2,1,3,5
WSU- 1,6,9,5

Average-
CU- 2.25
SIU- 2.75 -one Sweet 16 season
UNI- 4.0
BU- 4.5 -one Sweet 16 season
WSU- 5.25 -one Sweet 16 season
IlSU- 5.25
MSU- 5.5
DU- 5.75
UE-- 7.25
InSU- 8.5

[Grassman]

Here are the same numbers over the last 4 full seasons (from the BU fans' perspective of allowing for the last 4 years that Jim Les has had his own recruits).
Note that there have been only 3 teams with a better average finish than BU, and UNI is only slightly better based on last season's tie for #1.-

BU-5,4,5,4
CU- 2,2,4,1
DU- 7,7,1,8
UE-- 7,7,10,5
IlSU- 9,7,2,3
InSU- 9,10,7,8
MSU- 2,3,7,10
UNI- 5,5,5,1
SIU- 2,1,3,5
WSU- 1,6,9,5

Average-
CU- 2.25
SIU- 2.75 -one Sweet 16 season
UNI- 4.0
BU- 4.5 -one Sweet 16 season
WSU- 5.25 -one Sweet 16 season
IlSU- 5.25
MSU- 5.5
DU- 5.75
UE-- 7.25
InSU- 8.5

YUP! Still in the 2:30 game.

[BradleyBrave]

Here are the same numbers over the last 4 full seasons (from the BU fans' perspective of allowing for the last 4 years that Jim Les has had his own recruits).
Note that there have been only 3 teams with a better average finish than BU, and UNI is only slightly better based on last season's tie for #1.-

BU-5,4,5,4
CU- 2,2,4,1
DU- 7,7,1,8
UE-- 7,7,10,5
IlSU- 9,7,2,3
InSU- 9,10,7,8
MSU- 2,3,7,10
UNI- 5,5,5,1
SIU- 2,1,3,5
WSU- 1,6,9,5

Average-
CU- 2.25
SIU- 2.75 -one Sweet 16 season
UNI- 4.0
BU- 4.5 -one Sweet 16 season
WSU- 5.25 -one Sweet 16 season
IlSU- 5.25
MSU- 5.5
DU- 5.75
UE-- 7.25
InSU- 8.5

Also in that time period, 5 other teams have either won or shared a league title, and 6 teams have finished higher than we have (in the top 3). So, once again it proves we are firmly entrenched in the abyss of mediocrity.

[Buesch N Chips]

BU: 2,8,5,6,8,5,4,5,4
CU: 1,1,2,2,3,2,2,4,1
DU: 7,5,8,6,7,7,7,1,8
UE: 6,9,5,8,9,7,7,10,5
IlSU: 2,3,8,10,6,9,7,2,3
InSU: 4,9,10,8,9,9,10,7,8
MSU: 7,4,3,5,5,2,3,7,10
UNI: 10,7,7,2,3,5,5,5,1
SIU: 4,1,1,1,1,2,1,3,5
WSU: 9,5,3,2,2,1,6,9,5

Table:

2.00 Creighton
2.11 Southern Illinois
4.67 Wichita State
5.00 Northern Iowa
5.11 Missouri State
5.20 Bradley
5.55 Illinois State
6.20 Drake
7.33 Evansville
8.22 Indiana State

Noy very much separating 3 through 8.

[squirrelgotdead]

Excellent point Buesch.

It should also be prudent to point out that of those schools 3-8, all of them except for Bradley finished dead last at least once during the period, and every one else has finished 1st or 2nd at least once during the same cycle.

[Bravesfan]

Here are the same numbers over the last 4 full seasons (from the BU fans' perspective of allowing for the last 4 years that Jim Les has had his own recruits).
Note that there have been only 3 teams with a better average finish than BU, and UNI is only slightly better based on last season's tie for #1.-

BU-5,4,5,4
CU- 2,2,4,1
DU- 7,7,1,8
UE-- 7,7,10,5
IlSU- 9,7,2,3
InSU- 9,10,7,8
MSU- 2,3,7,10
UNI- 5,5,5,1
SIU- 2,1,3,5
WSU- 1,6,9,5

Average-
CU- 2.25
SIU- 2.75 -one Sweet 16 season
UNI- 4.0
BU- 4.5 -one Sweet 16 season
WSU- 5.25 -one Sweet 16 season
IlSU- 5.25
MSU- 5.5
DU- 5.75
UE-- 7.25
InSU- 8.5

Good point Coach. We are at least trending better within the last four seasons. Let's hope that can continue this year with at least a 3rd place or higher finish.

[tornado]

2.25 Creighton
2.75 Southern Illinois
4.00 Northern Iowa
4.50 Bradley
5.25 Wichita State
5.25 Illinois State
5.50 Missouri State
5.75 Drake
7.25 Evansville
8.25 Indiana State

agree.....but this is the time span when we have heard even more complaining....

[dogsrus]

2.25 Creighton
2.75 Southern Illinois
4.00 Northern Iowa
4.50 Bradley
5.25 Wichita State
5.25 Illinois State
5.50 Missouri State
5.75 Drake
7.25 Evansville
8.25 Indiana State

agree.....but this is the time span when we have heard even more complaining....

Correct...the FIRST 4 years were a flyer as the program got established under JL.

The NEXT 4 years needed to show us something more then skightly above mediocre performances.....and it hasn't.

AFter 8 years wouldn't you want a top 3 finish or a Valley title? I know Jim would.

[Da Coach]

Of course, every fan wants that. I am tired of some people suggesting that anyone, especially the great fans here, are satisfied with mediocrity. That has never been the case. But I, and most fans, don't see that the program is so bad, as some try to portray it, that we need to blow things up and start over again.