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There is no way John C should be allowed to coach in college basketball ever.He will keep do this because he knows nothing will ever happen to him.This just says its ok for other coachs to cheat because nothing will happen to you.
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Originally posted by tornado View Post
Who did Knight ruin? Did Isiah run away or did BK let him know whose is in charge and run him off? Despite his methods Knight built teams that won, not individuals who had great success at the next level.Comment
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you are right...
in his final 15 years or so of coaching after 92-93....he averaged 19.5 wins per season...and was 5 games under .500 in NCAA Tournament play...
also - note that even when Bob Knight speaks, he shows ignorance...
his comment last night ...
this is NOT correct...because Massachusetts was NEVER on probation"You see we've got a coach at Kentucky [John Calipari], who put two schools on probation..."Comment
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19.5 wins per is close, but not quite right.Originally posted by tornado View Post
Per wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Knight
Indiana
1993??“1994 21??“9 NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1994??“1995 19??“12 NCAA First Round
1995??“1996 19??“12 NCAA First Round
1996??“1997 22??“11 NCAA First Round
1997??“1998 20??“12 NCAA Second Round
1998??“1999 23??“11 NCAA Second Round
1999??“2000 20??“9 NCAA First Round
Texas Tech
2001??“2002 23??“9 NCAA First Round
2002??“2003 22??“13 NIT Semifinals
2003??“2004 23??“11 NCAA Second Round
2004??“2005 22??“11 NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005??“2006 15??“17 ??”
2006??“2007 21??“13 NCAA First Round
2007??“2008 12??“8*
Total 282-158
282 wins/14 season = 20.1 wins/season. And that includes the '07-08 season during which Knight resigned with 12 wins.
Furthermore, he was four games under .500 in ELEVEN (11) NCAA tournament appearances since 1992-'93 season. He made the tourney in each of those seasons all but twice. And one of those times, he went to the NIT.
I'm not the biggest Bobby Knight fan in the world, but the dude got the most out of collegiate players.Comment
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sorry, I stand corrected...so he did win a little over an average of 20 per year with top level, 5-star players...
and in that same interval, Coach K averaged 28, and Roy Williams averaged 29...Comment
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Quite frankly, t, I'm a little surprised your so anti-RMK in this matter. Isn't JC the type of coach that should be punished by the NCAA for cheating, but isn't because he's such a money maker? RMK is your dog is this fight.Originally posted by tornado View PostComment
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if I had to allow my own son to play on a basketball court with either of these three men coaching him...Knight, Calipari, or Bruce Pearl...
I would take Calipari 1000 out or 1000 times.
Knight's record stands for itself...Comment
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It's very simple about Knight.
He wants to win. He built his program about finding the players that fit his team. He did not take a "best available" approach when it came to finding players. The type of players that end up being stars in the NBA are the same types of players who don't fit in Knight's system. NBA stars generally need the ball and the offense to run through them. That translates very poorly in the Knight style of play.
I'm not saying Knight's style of coaching and recruiting is right or wrong, but I think the recruits that went to Indiana were, on a whole, less concerned about a basketball career after college than, say, the top 50 recruits, on a whole.Comment
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You'd want your son to play for a proven cheater (JC), over a guy (BK) who teaches discipline and respect. To each his own.Originally posted by tornado View Post
Again, I go back to JC being everything you speak out against in BCS-level sports. A proven cheater (the only coach to have Final Four appearances vacated at TWO schools) who gets a slap on the wrist because he's a money maker for the Man.Comment
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I just wouldn't want to chance my son getting choked or having his esteem torn down...
who are the Bob Knight disciples (assistants under him) who are still coaching..?
I know of Pat Knight, and Mike Davis who's at UAB but was run out of IU..
all the rest (Jim Crews, Royce Waltman, Dan Dakich, Bob Donewald, etc) are all gone..how come?
Coach K has at least 6 ex-assistants still actively coaching...Comment
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And as asinine as it sounds on the surface, you're right. Calipari is scum but he's giving my kid the best chance to turn pro and make money. Business decision.Originally posted by tornado View PostComment
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I think that says more about your son that Bobby Knight. How many young people (players, managers, general students, etc.) has Knight had contact with over his years compared to the number of students he's attacked.Originally posted by tornado View Post
Don't get me wrong, he should NEVER put a hand on a player in an attacking manner, and countless coaches manage to get through an entire career without an assault charge. But the odds are good that, if you show respect, you won't get attacked by Bob Knight.
TAS, that's a good call, strictly speaking in terms of business though.Comment
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I think it's the Orange&Blue coming out of T. He DID go to Grad school at UIUC.Originally posted by longtimelistener View Post
j/k T
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Can we agree that the message was right but the messenger has some qualities that a few people find disturbing. I'm not a RMK fan at all but I like it that he called out KY. Why not? Just because the message came from an arrogant egotistical bastard does not mean he did not hit the nail on the head this time. When someone calls out the NCAA on an issue of morality and people listen, to me that is a good thing."Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
??” Thomas Jefferson
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