Loyola is 6-2 and RPI 40!

[BradleyBrave]

nothing like a good belly laugh, BB...
are you really hinting you think DePaul will hire Whitesell, a marginally successful mid-major coach, to replace Wainwright, an ex-marginally successful mid-major coach?

DePaul's last 2 hires suggest that yes, that's the route they'll go. Whitesell's resume is arguably just as good if not better than their previous 2 hires. What leads you to believe they'd go a different route?

[longtimelistener]

nothing like a good belly laugh, BB...
are you really hinting you think DePaul will hire Whitesell, a marginally successful mid-major coach, to replace Wainwright, an ex-marginally successful mid-major coach?

Just for some fun ...

Career Div. I coaching records

Jim Whitesell (in fifth season, all at Loyola)
79-75 (.513 winning percentage)
38-46 in Horizon league (.452)
Hasn't finished better than third in the league and is trending down

Jerry Wainwright
In 11 seasons at a "mid-major"
186-145 (.562)
111-65 (.631) in conference (84-44 in CAA, 27-21 in A-10)
Never finished lower than fourth in the CAA in eight seasons. Has three conference titles and two second-place finishes. Had two NCAA and two NIT appearances in first eight years.
overall, in 15th season
238-217 (.523)

Jim Les (in eighth season, all at Bradley)
132-112 (.540)
62-67 (.481) in Valley
Never better than a fourth-place finish, those he's very consistent with fourth and fifth. One NCAA and one NIT.

[BradleyBrave]

Just for some fun ...

Career Div. I coaching records

Jim Whitesell (in fifth season, all at Loyola)
79-75 (.513 winning percentage)
38-46 in Horizon league (.452)
Hasn't finished better than third in the league and is trending down

Jerry Wainwright
In 11 seasons at a "mid-major"
186-145 (.562)
111-65 (.631) in conference (84-44 in CAA, 27-21 in A-10)
Never finished lower than fourth in the CAA in eight seasons. Has three conference titles and two second-place finishes. Had two NCAA and two NIT appearances in first eight years.
overall, in 15th season
238-217 (.523)

Jim Les (in eighth season, all at Bradley)
132-112 (.540)
62-67 (.481) in Valley
Never better than a fourth-place finish, those he's very consistent with fourth and fifth. One NCAA and one NIT.

Dave Leitoa was 22-35 as a Division I head coach at Northeastern. Jerry Wainwright was 49-42 at Richmond. What about those two resumes suggest they're any different than Whitesell's?

[BradleyBrave]

nothing like a good belly laugh, BB...
are you really hinting you think DePaul will hire Whitesell, a marginally successful mid-major coach, to replace Wainwright, an ex-marginally successful mid-major coach?

And all I did was suggest that perhaps they may give Whitesell, a local guy who's been successful at every level he's coached, a look. Calling my thoughts silly is not even in the same realm as suggesting that Jim Les is even a comparable, let alone better coach than Dana Altman, as you have hinted at time and again over the years.

[longtimelistener]

Dave Leitoa was 22-35 as a Division I head coach at Northeastern. Jerry Wainwright was 49-42 at Richmond. What about those two resumes suggest they're any different than Whitesell's?

The big difference is that Whitesell's resume was built below D-I ... but his 202-134 record at Lewis with five NCAAs including a Sweet 16 run is pretty solid.

[BradleyBrave]

The big difference is that Whitesell's resume was built below D-I ... but his 202-134 record at Lewis with five NCAAs including a Sweet 16 run is pretty solid.

Bo Ryan and Bruce Pearl's resumes were built at lower levels as well, so it isn't unprecedented. Last time I checked those guys have done pretty well.

[longtimelistener]

Sure ... lets throw Dana in here too.

Just for some fun ...

Career Div. I coaching records

Jim Whitesell (in fifth season, all at Loyola)
79-75 (.513 winning percentage)
38-46 in Horizon league (.452)
Hasn't finished better than third in the league and is trending down

Jerry Wainwright
In 11 seasons at a "mid-major"
186-145 (.562)
111-65 (.631) in conference (84-44 in CAA, 27-21 in A-10)
Never finished lower than fourth in the CAA in eight seasons. Has three conference titles and two second-place finishes. Had two NCAA and two NIT appearances in first eight years.
overall, in 15th season
238-217 (.523)

Jim Les (in eighth season, all at Bradley)
132-112 (.540)
62-67 (.481) in Valley
Never better than a fourth-place finish, those he's very consistent with fourth and fifth. One NCAA and one NIT.

Dana Altman (in 16th season at Creighton)
312-165 (.654)
168-99 (.631) in Valley
Twelve consecutive NCAA or NIT appearances. Hasn't figured out how to get past the second round of any tournament.
Three Valley titles, fourth or better 12 times.
Overall, in 21 seasons
394-232 (.629) and you add an NCAA and two NITs

[longtimelistener]

Bo Ryan and Bruce Pearl's resumes were built at lower levels as well, so it isn't unprecedented. Last time I checked those guys have done pretty well.

We're on the same page. I'm just throwing info out there.

[BradleyBrave]

We're on the same page. I'm just throwing info out there.

Whitesell has also done something Wainwright and Leitoa have never done...win at Carver Arena!

[longtimelistener]

Whitesell has also done something Wainwright and Leitoa have never done...win at Carver Arena!

I'm more curious in this idea that Wainwright and Whitesell are "marginally successful mid-major coach." The numbers above speak for themselves.

[BU RICK]

I'm just going to say one thing. Loyola is still the only D1 men's basketball team from the State of Illinois to ever win a NCAA Championship game and I'm proud of it.

Bump. I want to say this again about Loyola. There's no jealousy from me. Go Ramblers! Go Braves tonight!

[Indy_BB]

Loyola will win 20 games this year

That is not likely. Their most "likely" total is 18 wins, per Pomeroy. You could calculate it, but, I would imagine the likelihood of Loyola surpassing 19 would be less than 30%.

Loyola's W/L record so far this season has been propped up by a NCAA high "Luck" rate (Pomeroy), which is easily seen by looking at the large variance in their Sagarin ELO Chess rank of 68 (backwards-looking) and their PREDICTOR rank of 180 (forward-looking)

What does this tell you?

It tells you that reality is about to hit the Ramblers with a Tex Cobb haymaker.

[tornado]

What leads you to believe they'd go a different route?

well.....maybe the fact that the fan base is furious and want change and they simply don't want another marginally successful ex-mid-major coach..
and the fact that the DePaul people may just have the potential to learn from bad mistakes if they make those same mistakes enough times.

[Indy_BB]

I think Depaul is going to look long and hard at Detroit's Ray McCallum. He has a pretty long and good track record of success, recruits the "inner city" well, and comes with a ready-made All-Conference point guard - his son.

[BradleyBrave]

That is not likely. Their most "likely" total is 18 wins, per Pomeroy. You could calculate it, but, I would imagine the likelihood of Loyola surpassing 19 would be less than 30%.

Loyola's W/L record so far this season has been propped up by a NCAA high "Luck" rate (Pomeroy), which is easily seen by looking at the large variance in their Sagarin ELO Chess rank of 68 (backwards-looking) and their PREDICTOR rank of 180 (forward-looking)

What does this tell you?

It tells you that reality is about to hit the Ramblers with a Tex Cobb haymaker.

When did Pomeroy become gospel? They'll need a couple more road wins and hold server at home, but they've won at Butler and at BU in the last year so I don't think that's a reach. If they do hold to Pomeroy's form or fall below, well, it will just further expose how bad of a loss it was for BU.