Who would you rather have?

[DannyCooksey]

Where was POB in draft lists? And he went far higher than OE will even dream of going... Like I said above, OE is a good player, but has many holes in his game, and defense is most definitely one of them.

Holes yes? defense being one of them? not even close but thanks for playing.

btw-your assumption that the Valley awards for defense are based on offense are absurd.

I seem to recall and you should to a guy named Akinkunle for bu whose offensive game made Greg Dilligards look like Anthny Tolliver's. he won defensive player of the year his senior year. so your argument is garbage. there are other examples.

So when you mention POB on draft lists....are you suggesting that Brown will explode and become a lottery pick like POB? I seem to not see the part where he's 7 feet tall and a promising shot blocker.

[Da Coach]

I think it's really hard to compare as well. They seem to fit their respective team's pretty well..

I do however like that OE can shoot from anywhere and doesn't need much space or time when you need the quick game ending shot.....

I seem to remember a few three's last year at the CC by him that were pretty awsome shots.

Weren't those shots late in the game when ISU was out of the game, and Osiris was playing against Bradley reserves?

[DannyCooksey]

It was a legitimate response to cpacmel who posted about Osiris' defense.
Why such vehement objection? If you have a problem with what the NBA evaluators say, take it up with them. This is not my opinion, it is objective reports from NBA draft evaluators.

And Danny, you are really being ridiculous if you expect the NBA draft sites to list a sophomore (Taylor Brown) who has not put his name into the NBA draft, not is projected to go into the draft this year by anyone.

I'm not objecting to what the NBA sites/scouts say. I have no qualms with it at all. I'm objecting to using that info in a debate on someones playing status in the Valley as compared to another Valley player. make sense? The thread was OE vs. Brown. The thread was not OE's NBA propsects as they relate to his defense. I'm surprised a bright fella like you would be confused by that. In other words.....why not give a Valley scouting report on OE's defense since that is the most fair way to compare him and BRown? I looked for an NBA scouting report on Taylor Brown but can't find one.

How am I being ridiculous? the comparison was between OE and Brown. IF brown was as highly regarded wouldn't his name be out there? How is that being ridiculous? Maybe the initial comparision is what's ridiculous?
FWIW Coach......No one has their name in the draft yet and you know this. But you know as well as I do that the draft is loaded with freshmen and soph names that are listed as 1st round or 2nd round prospects. try posting a mock draft that doesn't contain underclass names.

[dogsrus]

"ERRONEOUS, Erroneous on all accounts!"

Really though, I wouldn't have liked King O. I do not like selfish players with questionable decision making and bad attitudes. And I'm not a guy who is afraid to not like a BU player. Some people here will get on me for this but I DID NOT like DRuff, and he was far less selfish than OE...

WOW...respect your opinion but I have never heard he has a bad attitude. I really don't see him as selfish either...he takes alot of shots but I would imagine he is coached to do so.

I'd take him in a heartbeat.....

[SFP]

OE is a player and for some of the traits a few of you are harping on him I wish a few players on our team had some of it. OE wants the ball and is a dynamic player.

Now who is better? They play different positions, both are under sized for the next level in their respective position but give each the capability of beating anyone any day. I for one like TB's upside much more then OE's bit I'd take both on the same team.

[lefty]

Weren't those shots late in the game when ISU was out of the game, and Osiris was playing against Bradley reserves?

I didn't know for sure DC so I checked the archives
It was a 4 pt game with the regular rotation....O was 6-14 with 17 pts and 10 rebounds...

[dogsrus]

I wonder if there was a Valley draft who would be the 1st selection? OE or Brown? hmmmmm.

I'm not argueing OE's ability like others in this thread Danny but I WOULD dispute this one thought. I would offer Brown just might go higher becuas the NBA is almost all about potential these days when it comes to the draft.

TB, IMO, has a MUCH higher ceiling then OE does. Not saying he won't get better but we have generally seen what OE can do.

TB is a few games into his Soph. season and has stats, save for ppg. equal to or better in most all other category's.

Both will probably be European players but right now I would give TB the edge on any sustained success in the NBA.

JMHO

[BradleyBrave]

I would rather have OE. He can make FTs.

[amckillip]

I would rather have OE. He can make FTs.

Last year (where they had enough opportunities, obviously TB has not been hot this year), OE shot .7% better from the line.

BTW... AMAZING site for stats: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/pla...y/taylor-brown

[Braves4Life]

OE is a player and for some of the traits a few of you are harping on him I wish a few players on our team had some of it. OE wants the ball and is a dynamic player.

As much as I like to rip OE you are right about him wanting the ball and being a dynamic player. There are very few players like this. I think it is sad that OE has probably NOT lived up to his potential; I think he has the skills to be a really great player. I think with the right team and coaching he could have been a Hersey Hawkins-type player. For whatever reason this has not (and will not, IMO) happened. OE (with good coaching) could have been the scoring leader that this BU team needed. He'd be like a very talented, quicker, taller Maniscalco (as far as being a leader). Can you imagine having two confident leaders like this in your back court? I think it would bring back memories of Hawkins/Les.

Based on where these players are at today I'd take OE. However, the fact that TB has more time to continue to improve is really exciting. Let's face it, OE HAS NOT lived up to his tremendous potential. TB still may

[amckillip]

As much as I like to rip OE you are right about him wanting the ball and being a dynamic player. There are very few players like this. I think it is sad that OE has probably NOT lived up to his potential; I think he has the skills to be a really great player. I think with the right team and coaching he could have been a Hersey Hawkins-type player. For whatever reason this has not (and will not, IMO) happened. OE (with good coaching) could have been the scoring leader that this BU team needed. He'd be like a very talented, quicker, taller Maniscalco (as far as being a leader). Can you imagine having two confident leaders like this in your back court? I think it would bring back memories of Hawkins/Les.

Based on where these players are at today I'd take OE. However, the fact that TB has more time to continue to improve is really exciting. Let's face it, OE HAS NOT lived up to his tremendous potential. TB still may

I think he's more talented than anyone on BU, but I do not think he has the leadership of SM, or the BBall IQ of a guy like Dodie. He would have made BU better, no doubt. But I still maintain I would have disliked him.

[SFP]

I think he's more talented than anyone on BU, but I do not think he has the leadership of SM, or the BBall IQ of a guy like Dodie. He would have made BU better, no doubt. But I still maintain I would have disliked him.

Imagine if Ruff went to ISU? You probably would have felt the same way about him as you do with OE. I would bet you if possible if OE was a Brave you would love him, even his hair cut!

[Da Coach]

Danny Cooksey, I understand that you feel the compulsion to be the guardian of anything said against ISU here. But to suggest that it isn't relevant to bring up the defensive shortcomings of Osiris Eldridge is laughable. I would love to see him play in the NBA. The MVC needs all the visibility it can get.

OE got a number of workouts with NBA people last summer, and was told by every one of them to forget about entering the 2009 draft and go back to school. They told him he wasn't an NBA player, and the main reason was his inability to defend. He was advised to develop his point guard skills and try again next summer. But I don't see him as a point guard, either.

The knocks on Osiris Eldridge's defense by NBA scouts are perfectly appropriate for this discussion. If he doesn't get a chance in the NBA, it will be primarily because of his deficiencies on defense.

[amckillip]

Imagine if Ruff went to ISU? You probably would have felt the same way about him as you do with OE. I would bet you if possible if OE was a Brave you would love him, even his hair cut!

HAHA, You seriously just proved my point. Please see above comments about DRuff. I love it! (See Below)

"ERRONEOUS, Erroneous on all accounts!"

Really though, I wouldn't have liked King O. I do not like selfish players with questionable decision making and bad attitudes. And I'm not a guy who is afraid to not like a BU player. Some people here will get on me for this but I DID NOT like DRuff, and he was far less selfish than OE...

[SFP]

Amp you got me! Ruff also frustrated the hell out of me sometimes but I loved his attitude just like if OE was a Brave I'd tolerate his arrogance. Since he is not a Brave I'll admire his skills but root against him. The kid has skills no matter how you look at it. He reminds me of a poor mans Monta Ellis. Ellis btw is 6'3" and played the 2 for the GSW. When they drafted Stephan Curry they moved him over to the 1. OE can make make it to the NBA but he'll have to bulk up a bit in order to be able to man up better at that level. Someone will give him a chance in on the right team and system he could stick.