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  • #31
    Sorry, a college coach can make a player work on their free-throw shooting...but a player learns how to shoot loooonnnngggg before they ever get to this level.
    Some see a hopeless end, while others see an endless hope.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by bigdaddystuck View Post
      Sorry, a college coach can make a player work on their free-throw shooting...but a player learns how to shoot loooonnnngggg before they ever get to this level.
      well they have 10 days to remember that muscle memory...
      Bradley Basketball... One Tradition; Underachievement. 2008-Current.

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      • #33
        That's true, but practice makes perfect. This teams radically inconsistent FT shooting is a possibility of not enough FT shooting in practice. Maybe concentrating to much time on the D which Les continuously harps and raves about.

        Jason



        Originally posted by bigdaddystuck View Post
        Sorry, a college coach can make a player work on their free-throw shooting...but a player learns how to shoot loooonnnngggg before they ever get to this level.

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        • #34
          I never thought we would be a lock for the NCAA. I always thought we would have to win the MVC to get in regardless. Next year is the year I was pointing to but if this is the type of performance we can expect I'm downgrading my expectation. I was not going to have a drink tonight but I needed a few glasses of wine to keep my blood pressure in check.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by ER3 View Post
            At large bid? NCAA bubble hopes?

            -> loss to a SoCon team at home

            *pop*

            Win the MVC tourney or saddle up for another spirited run in the CBI, CIT, or XYZ Tourney.

            That's where we stand...again.
            Wow.....so now there is no mention at all of the NIT (unless that's considered an "XYZ Tourney"). We either win the MVC tournament or miss both the NCAA and the NIT? Even if we win the regular season? That would be very interesting!
            ???People say, ???Forget last year', but I want our guys to remember that one, because that will not happen again. We will be much better.??? Geno Ford, 9/22/12

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            • #36
              And how does anyone see this team going 14-4 in conf??? Are you kidding? What last night proved to me was that our coach doesn't know when to call a timeout, we still can't shoot free throws, Maniscalco can't hit shots in the first 36 minutes of games or defend against other team's better players, and our upperclassmen will struggle against other senior and junior-laden teams(UNI, WSU,CU) in conference. I'll still stick with 12-6 as best case scenario, but more than likely we will only win 2-3 roadies in conf and stumble once or twice at home, so our usual 10-8 matinee appearance is a better bet at this point. At what point does C+/B- not cut it anymore?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by chitown fanatic View Post
                And how does anyone see this team going 14-4 in conf??? Are you kidding? What last night proved to me was that our coach doesn't know when to call a timeout, we still can't shoot free throws, Maniscalco can't hit shots in the first 36 minutes of games or defend against other team's better players, and our upperclassmen will struggle against other senior and junior-laden teams(UNI, WSU,CU) in conference. I'll still stick with 12-6 as best case scenario, but more than likely we will only win 2-3 roadies in conf and stumble once or twice at home, so our usual 10-8 matinee appearance is a better bet at this point. At what point does C+/B- not cut it anymore?
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                • #38
                  Unfortunately, last night it came to me this team maybe playing to its potential. The Illinois game was the exception, not the rule.

                  If BU can't find a way to win at home vs WC, I struggle to see how it will win on the road consistently in the Valley this year. Whoever said 10-8 for BU this year in con play, which should be good enough for a 6th place finish in the Valley BTY , is a modern Nostradomus!

                  Coaches can't teach players to shoot???? Weren't JL supporters saying one of JL's strengths as a coach was his great shooting should allow him to teach his players how to shoot better. I'll have to search the JS archieves.

                  I guess coaches will just have to recruit players who can shoot better

                  Tornado was right, BU's preseason schedule is way tougher than we, or apparently even BU players, thought

                  Sorry, I guess I just fell off the positive thinking bandwagon again...
                  BUilding for the Future

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
                    Sorry, I guess I just fell off the positive thinking bandwagon again...
                    I was never on it. I live in reality (no offense intended). It's a sad and sometimes dark place, and a place that many on this board fear and refuse to recognize.

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                    • #40
                      We're not disqualified until we're disqualified, but I would say this significantly decreases our chances. We all know "mid-majors" face huge problems getting recognition. We really need a better resume than a Big Ten school all things equal. The only reason we got an at large bid in 06 was because of our win streak combined with the selection committee having a thing for mid-majors that year.

                      Not that we cant compete, we're just the "red headed step child" as they say. We have to work harder and be better for the same chances.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BradleyBrave View Post
                        No, but I expect to win every home game. Especially ones that we lead by double-digits with less than 10 minutes left in the game. If I didn't think we were good enough I wouldn't care as much.
                        Fair enough, but as stated, most of the top 25 will have a bad loss or two on their resume by the end of the year and still do well. (See Louisville, Michigan, Michigan St., etc.).

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Braves4Life View Post
                          My thoughts exactly.
                          Again, I agree wholeheartedly with all of you that we should win all of our home games. But again, occasionally a bad loss will happen, even at home. I'm just saying it shouldn't disqualify us from becoming a great team as many great teams bounce back from losses like this, and many great teams experience one or two of these each season. And it shouldn't cause people to overreact based on one game.

                          Let's see how Bradley adjusts in their next few games. It's how a team reacts to a loss like this that will tell how well they will do the rest of the way. If this team is under .500 in the Valley at the halfway point, then I completely agree that we should be concerned. But we're not there yet. And we have not even entered conference play yet. So I'd wait and see awhile before we jump to conclusions about this team.

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                          • #43
                            Well said Bravesfan. I agree and I hope the team responds. It's just disappointing to me that a team that benefited from pre-season play struggles against both bad (Presby) and mediocre teams (WCU, Wofford, Lewis, & Id. St.) at HOME. I know these games could be considered "practice" for the Valley season, and I know we're already dealing with injuries, but this SHOULD NOT happen against this caliber of team at HOME.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Braves4Life View Post
                              Well said Bravesfan. I agree and I hope the team responds. It's just disappointing to me that a team that benefited from pre-season play struggles against both bad (Presby) and mediocre teams (WCU, Wofford, Lewis, & Id. St.) at HOME. I know these games could be considered "practice" for the Valley season, and I know we're already dealing with injuries, but this SHOULD NOT happen against this caliber of team at HOME.
                              Yes, I understand it's perplexing that we have had so much of a struggle against poor teams at home this year, WCU notwithstanding because I think they are a very good team no matter what conference they belong to. And the way we played against Illinois only verifies what I have thought since last season that this team has some great potential to do well.

                              I don't know what the problem is with this team aside from inexperience playing together and a bad habit of playing down to a team's talent level. I'm hoping these are the only problems. If so, last night's loss could be the kick start this team needs to realize that they need to take EVERY opponent seriously.

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                              • #45
                                I posted in the new AD thread regarding a comment by another posting how Xavier, Butler and Gonzaga don't lose at home to the "Western Carolina" type team. Not picking on that poster, just trying to get it into perspective. Here is some of what I posted and some other info to chew on.

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                                Originally Posted by xxxxx
                                I hope he has amazing ability because the Xaviers, Gonzagas and Butlers of this current world do not lose home basketball games to Western Carolina.


                                Those are some pretty darn good programs to aspire to be as good as. I welcome Cross to the Hilltop and hope he does well for Bradley.

                                But getting back to those 3 programs....

                                In the last 5 years, those 3 teams haven't lost many games at home. Worst Non-Conference home losses in the RPI for those 3 teams in the past 5 years:

                                Butler - lost to #163 Indiana St in '05-'06 season
                                Gonzaga - lost to #113 Portland St in '08-'09 season
                                Xavier - lost to #77 Bucknell in '06-'07 season

                                Bradley's worst Non-Conference home loss based on RPI in the last 5 seasons goes to #54 VCU in the '07-'08 season.

                                After Western Carolina beat Bradley last night, they have moved up to #25 in the RPI this season. (I know it's early to look at the RPI right now - just as it is early to consider losing to Western Carolina as such a terrible loss right now)


                                Also:

                                In the last 5 seasons, here are the Non-Conference losses with RPI's for each team.

                                Xavier = 5 losses
                                to #24 Butler 08-09
                                to #29 Miss St 04-05
                                to #39 Mia-Oh 04-05
                                to #44 Creighton 04-05
                                to #77 Bucknell 06-07

                                Gonzaga = 4 Losses
                                to #7 Memphis 08-09
                                to #8 Memphis 06-07
                                to #23 Washington St 07-08
                                to #113 Portland St 08-09

                                Butler = 3 Losses
                                to #7 SIU 06-07
                                to #10 Drake 07-08
                                to #163 Indiana St 05-06

                                Bradley = 3 Losses
                                to #16 Michigan St 07-08
                                to #24 Butler 08-09
                                to #54 VCU 07-08

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