Who are the "stars" of the MVC so far this year?

[bufan73]

where did I ever say that? I am saddened to see you join the ranks of those who make things up to take personal swipes at other posters...


and versace- if citing their RPI and SOS and even quoting their own coach or press is "ripping", then so be it...I can take the heat, but you fail to actually dispute a single fact posted, as usual.

OH No, just because some of us BU fans hold ourself to a little higher standard doesn't make us less of a Bradley Fan. If i applaud a team in the Valley for playing well...I am told I am an imposter

I enjoy Bradley basketball, I also like to see the Valley do well!

[tornado]

nawww--- I am bad....don't deny it, but have a "get out of jail card"..

[bu fan 9]

How come you left off EM on the list of disappointments?

[Da Coach]

Notice that I did not list freshmen and only 1 sophomore because it is a little too early to make judgements about them being disappointments. EM was not a highly rated player in high school, and he did not produce "star" numbers last season (5.6 ppg and 29% from three) to suggest he would be All-MVC this year. The only sophomore I listed was Anthony Booker, and he was a Top 30 player in the country coming out of HS, so I think there are more expectations that by his sophomore season he should be playing more and contributing more.
If I listed EM, I would have to include dozens more players who merely were producing a little less than they did their previous year.

[versace4pres]

and versace- if citing their RPI and SOS and even quoting their own coach or press is "ripping", then so be it...I can take the heat, but you fail to actually dispute a single fact posted, as usual.[/QUOTE]

I have tried but they seem to get deleted. And I am not so obsessed with RPIs two to three weeks into the season as those numbers change dramatically as the season wears on. ISU has had a much better RPI than us when it counts, at the end of the year. And their schedule is basically the same as it was during those two years. Yes it sucks, but they end up in the NIT, one game out of the NCAA, and we end up where?

I am a Valley fan before and after conference play. We need to support our conference foes during this time of the year. Heck, I even pull for SIU, but during Valley play, all bets are off!

[tornado]

..ISU has had a much better RPI than us when it counts, at the end of the year. ..

sometimes, but not by all that much and not all that often....
it's only happened twice in the past 5 years that ISU's RPI was better, and in both years, it didn't help them one bit because of their terrible SOS...so the RPI ends up being useless if you want to use the ISU scenario...


Here are RPI's of Illinois State and Bradley for each of the past 5 seasons.

BU -- 32, 39, 104, 98, 104 - average 75.4
ISU -233, 138, 37, 47, 151 - average 141.6

[versace4pres]

I was only discussing the Jank years and that would be the LAST two years. We could both use numbers and stats to prop up our own point, but in the final analysis (March) they ended up with better numbers and better tournaments. In both years, they were one game away from the Big Dance and us...not so close.

[shaunguth]

Yes it sucks, but they end up in the NIT, one game out of the NCAA, and we end up where?

I am a Valley fan before and after conference play. We need to support our conference foes during this time of the year. Heck, I even pull for SIU, but during Valley play, all bets are off!

I was under the impression that the goal is to win the regular season, win the conference tournament, or get to the NCAA tournament. That's apparently the order that some people use to distinguish between a "successful" season or not. Unfortunately, only a few teams have done these things the past couple years. Jank's illinois state team has not accomplished any of those goals.

[versace4pres]

I was under the impression that the goal is to win the regular season, win the conference tournament, or get to the NCAA tournament. That's apparently the order that some people use to distinguish between a "successful" season or not. Unfortunately, only a few teams have done these things the past couple years. Jank's illinois state team has not accomplished any of those goals.

I agree, and many here predict that he will be taking another job soon. Why would anyone offer a job to him, with such a record? Other than our tourney run in 2006 we haven't done much with your stated goals either.

[tornado]

Keno fooled 'em with one season using someone else's players

[TNMSUFAN]

Hard to know how good either Missouri State or ISU's players are ...
can you guess how many road games Missouri State has played yet, or ISU?

Can you imagine how good BU's stats would look if all we played were home games?

Wichita State is 7-1 but the 7 wins are against a D-II and six teams whose combined record is 11-40
Missouri State is 7-0 against 7 opponents whose record is 24-24 but 6 are home games
ISU is 7-0 against 7 opponents whose record is 15-37

Fixed...carry on

[romar]

Fixed...carry on

Not to nitpick - but it isn't truly a quote if you change what someone else has written. It's like you put words in T's mouth and he would have to pull his foot out first (according to most of his detractors).

It took me a minute to figure out your post - it would have been much better if you would have just put a correction in your own words, but then you wouldn't have been able to add your cool little "carry on" huh?

It's nice to engage in conversations with fans from other schools & I think MSU will probably be much better than most thought. ISU, MSU & WSU will all be tough outs, especially on their home courts which brings us full circle back to winning on your home court is much easier & the subject of the post to begin with.

[TNMSUFAN]

Not to nitpick - but it isn't truly a quote if you change what someone else has written. It's like you put words in T's mouth and he would have to pull his foot out first (according to most of his detractors).

It took me a minute to figure out your post - it would have been much better if you would have just put a correction in your own words, but then you wouldn't have been able to add your cool little "carry on" huh?

It's nice to engage in conversations with fans from other schools & I think MSU will probably be much better than most thought. ISU, MSU & WSU will all be tough outs, especially on their home courts which brings us full circle back to winning on your home court is much easier & the subject of the post to begin with.

I corrected the post and put the correction in bold which it actually changed to 25-25 tonight vs DI teams. The "carry on" wasn't meant to be cute just me staying out of the conversation on your board other than to correct numbers.

[ER3]

Hard to know how good either Missouri State or ISU's players are ...
can you guess how many road games Missouri State has played yet, or ISU?

Can you imagine how good BU's stats would look if all we played were home games?

Wichita State is 7-1 but the 7 wins are against a D-II and six teams whose combined record is 11-40
Missouri State is 7-0 against 7 opponents whose record is 19-24 but 6 are home games
ISU is 7-0 against 7 opponents whose record is 15-37

BU's 5 wins are against teams with a combined record of 11-26...how can we be sure that we are any good?

[tornado]

bingo - you get a star....
you're catching on...we are not that good, we have a long way to go..