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  • Valley Down? No good wins and some early season losses

    Maybe it's just a fluke, and they're off to a slow start, or maybe the Valley is way worse that most thought.

    There are a lot of bad losses and bad performances thus far, let's summarize...

    BU - I don't think a lot of people expected BU to win at BYU, but we had a chance and maybe Taylor Brown would have made the difference.
    But we didn't play all that well and there were obvious parts of our game that needed improvement. Then we won vs. Idaho State, but again didn't defend well. Today will be another test, but at least to this point BU has no BAD losses.

    Creighton - the Bluejays also don't have a bad loss, but they did miss a chance for a signature win at Dayton. Their only win over Florida A&M and their game today vs. UALR are not signature wins. You've got good games coming up Bluejays - get hot and win!

    Drake - A couple early season games that should have been wins, are embarassing losses. IUPUI & Akron. Then a blowout loss against an Iowa State team that has been handled easy by several Valley teams the past couple years. Really no chances for a good win anywhere else until almost Christmas, unless you want to count Iowa. They're using the haggard old excuse of too many young players, but oddly,
    their top 9 guys in their playing rotation include a 5th year guy, FOUR 4th year guys, a 2nd year guy and 3 first year guys.

    Evansville - The Aces had a chance yesterday against Butler, but now their only wins are SIUE and a D-II. they were 10 points down to Butler with 1:11 left and narrowed it to just 4 but the game wasn't really that close.
    It does sound like Butler got some breaks from the stripes - going to the FT line 44 times!!!!
    Butler made only 14 baskets in the game (14-50) but was 31-44 from the line.

    ISU - not much chance of either a good win or even a loss of any kind with this schedule.
    They do have to visit Utah but not 'til they will be 9-0 and unchallenged.. AND thus far Utah looks bad..losing to Idaho and barely limping to a one pt. win over Utah State.
    Yesterday, playing lowly North Florida, another D-I wannabe, they still drew only 5K and played them mostly even except for 23 Osprey turnovers. The Redbirds allowed 49% shooting from the floor and 50% from the arc and only outrebounded the Ospreys by one, so someone PM me and tell me just what this game proves?
    Their schedule is killing their attendance but it's also killing their credibility. Oh, and one more time, someone try again to convince me that ISU's home attendance is reported as butts in the seats.
    They claimed 5000 but I still don't buy it, check out the pics of all the empty seats.

    Indiana State - The Sycs have a few wins but beating Nebraska-Kearney & UWM doesn't impress. But perhaps the closest thing to a GOOD win so far in the entire valley is InSU's narrow 65-60 win at home vs. Colorado State (picked to finish next to last in the MWC just barely ahead of Air Force who haven't beaten a DI and lost 70-46 to Northern Colorado.)

    Missouri State - wow, headed into today's game vs. Eastern Mich., their wins over Auburn, Maryland Eastern Shore, and Citadel mean they're undefeated at least.
    But Auburn will be the worst team in the SEC and will end up with a 250 RPI, so unfortunately not much glory there.

    Northern Iowa - sad story here - as these guys are the top rated Valley team by everyone, and so far they look weak.
    After strugging and barely beating Denver, they lost to a bad DePaul team then struggled again to barely beat East Carolina.
    Their stats after 3 games are revealing...
    -shooting 34.9% from 3-pt but allowing their opponents thus far to shoot 47.9%!
    -Yikes....they've got the best front line in the Valley with 7-1 Eglseder, Koch, O'Rear, etc and yet on the season so far they've been OUTREBOUNDED!
    -Their starting center Eglseder is hitting only 40% from the field and those are all layup attempts!!
    -their two "designated" 3-pt shooters, Moran & Dunham, are 9-34 from beyond the arc.
    -even against their soft early season opponents, their starters are accounting for 85% of everything...they're getting nothing from the bench.

    SIU - two wins over cupcakes (D-II Indianapolis & Tenn-Martin) but now an apparent breakthrough...
    last night SIU beat UNLV! -- at least that's what their web page says...
    Check this link out...


    It's their schedule page and it says...
    "Nov. 21, 2009 at UNLV W, 78-69"
    and in the popup box...
    "at UNLV W 78-69"

    But, the sad truth is...they DID NOT beat UNLV!!
    Their web page is either lying or wishful thinking...
    They lost 78-69...they shot terribly (19% on 3's and only 1-13 in the 2nd half), and were badly outrebounded despite having a 7-footer starting at center and the 29th rated player in his class coming out of HS at starting PF!
    Those two guys combined accounted for 2 rebounds!
    Booker as a starter was 0-1, no rebounds, no blocks, no steals, no assists, and a couple fouls. he may have just played himself out of a starting spot...and Carlton Fay will start the next game!

    Wichita State - 2-0 but they've beaten Fairleigh Dickinson & D-II Arkansas Monticello...they have a shot at a decent win Monday vs. Pitt...but Pitt is rebuilding and isn't the team they've been in past years.
    Pitt was almost upset on their home court by today's BU opponent Wofford.

  • #2
    It is possible that the Valley is just not very good this year. UNI is supposed to be the cream of the crop and they are off to a VERY slow start. But then, the Panthers started poorly last year too. Creighton looks good but not like world beaters. No one else is getting much press. The Valley might just be playing to the level that they are, good but not great and unfortunately they are looking early like a one bid league.

    Bradley and UNI still get chances to beat a much improved Iowa State team. UNI, Drake and probably Wichita State get chances at a struggling Iowa team. There are more chances for wins, but will they get them?

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    • #3
      Thanks for the update T. Stats don't lie. The Valley is what it is. I don't think there are ANY marquee teams this year that can draw national attention to the league. I DO think most teams are better than last year and that the league will be more competitive than ever amongst themselves. However, this mediocre parity is why there is no clear cut favorite to win the league this year. I think whichever team "finds their voice" and plays their style of play the best will win. Coaching will probably be the deciding factor this year. Whichever coach can best utilize his player talent, find the winning player combinations, and get his guys to play the style that gives them the best chance to win. For BU that means playing relatively small and using our athleticism to beat up on and blitz the relatively unathletic teams in the league. It is also imperative that we be respectable hitting the threes.

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      • #4
        Is it possible that the quality gap is closing between the Low Majors and the Mid-majors, similar to what happened in the 80s when the gap between High Majors and Mid-majors closed noticeably...??? Many times, MVC schools are recruiting the same kids that are being recruited by the lower tier conferences. One star and no star kids are in play for teams like Wofford, etc.

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        • #5
          we need five or ten wins in a row by the MVC..but sadly -even tho the going is early, the RPI and SOS stats look bad for the MVC.
          Thus far the Valley has the 29th worst SOS!
          ISU is ranked #326 and SIU ranked #341!!!
          RealTimeRPI.com: RPI, RPI Rankings, college basketball rpi, Real Time NCAA College Basketball and Sports Ratings - the most accurate independent analysis of the NCAA college basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI)


          those guys are killing us!

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          • #6
            Pretty much the only way the MVC becomes a 2 bid team this yr is if 2 teams get at least 1 signature win and those same teams nearly run the table during conference play. Either that or the possibility of 2 out of 3 teams if the 3rd team wins the Conference Tourney. As of right now, it's not looking likely though.

            Jason

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            • #7
              It's way too early to use SoS and RPI with any kind of accuracy whatsoever.

              tornado's breakdown is pretty decent, a couple of addendums from me:

              Drake losing to Akron and Iowa St...those aren't really that bad of losses....those will be a couple of RPI top 75 teams by year end. It's not great they lost those games, but they won't be terrible.

              Auburn won't be RPI 250, but probably 150, and when that's the best win, that's a problem.

              Indiana St has been a mild surprise....winning 2 swing games vs. Colorado St and UW-M....I went in thinking a split of those 2 would be reasonable.

              And as much as we wanna blast Utah, you realize Bradley is a favorite to play them in Vegas, right?

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              • #8
                I really expected the Valley to be back with a vengeance after a couple down years. It's looking like we will need 2 wins in Vegas to have a realistic chance at an at-large bid.

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                • #9
                  Whazzuup with the Valley

                  The Valley has company with mediocre teams:
                  The SEC. Has Georgia, Auburn, Alabame, and Arkansas to pull down their RPI.
                  The Big 11 has Penn State, Indiana, and Iowa as RPI handicaps.

                  I also expected The Valley to be pretty good this year. So far,The Valley is extremely average.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tornado View Post
                    Maybe it's just a fluke, and they're off to a slow start, or maybe the Valley is way worse that most thought.

                    There are a lot of bad losses and bad performances thus far, let's summarize...

                    BU - I don't think a lot of people expected BU to win at BYU, but we had a chance and maybe Taylor Brown would have made the difference.
                    But we didn't play all that well and there were obvious parts of our game that needed improvement. Then we won vs. Idaho State, but again didn't defend well. Today will be another test, but at least to this point BU has no BAD losses.

                    Creighton - the Bluejays also don't have a bad loss, but they did miss a chance for a signature win at Dayton. Their only win over Florida A&M and their game today vs. UALR are not signature wins. You've got good games coming up Bluejays - get hot and win!

                    Drake - A couple early season games that should have been wins, are embarassing losses. IUPUI & Akron. Then a blowout loss against an Iowa State team that has been handled easy by several Valley teams the past couple years. Really no chances for a good win anywhere else until almost Christmas, unless you want to count Iowa. They're using the haggard old excuse of too many young players, but oddly,
                    their top 9 guys in their playing rotation include a 5th year guy, FOUR 4th year guys, a 2nd year guy and 3 first year guys.

                    Evansville - The Aces had a chance yesterday against Butler, but now their only wins are SIUE and a D-II. they were 10 points down to Butler with 1:11 left and narrowed it to just 4 but the game wasn't really that close.
                    It does sound like Butler got some breaks from the stripes - going to the FT line 44 times!!!!
                    Butler made only 14 baskets in the game (14-50) but was 31-44 from the line.

                    ISU - not much chance of either a good win or even a loss of any kind with this schedule.
                    They do have to visit Utah but not 'til they will be 9-0 and unchallenged.. AND thus far Utah looks bad..losing to Idaho and barely limping to a one pt. win over Utah State.
                    Yesterday, playing lowly North Florida, another D-I wannabe, they still drew only 5K and played them mostly even except for 23 Osprey turnovers. The Redbirds allowed 49% shooting from the floor and 50% from the arc and only outrebounded the Ospreys by one, so someone PM me and tell me just what this game proves?
                    Their schedule is killing their attendance but it's also killing their credibility. Oh, and one more time, someone try again to convince me that ISU's home attendance is reported as butts in the seats.
                    They claimed 5000 but I still don't buy it, check out the pics of all the empty seats.

                    Indiana State - The Sycs have a few wins but beating Nebraska-Kearney & UWM doesn't impress. But perhaps the closest thing to a GOOD win so far in the entire valley is InSU's narrow 65-60 win at home vs. Colorado State (picked to finish next to last in the MWC just barely ahead of Air Force who haven't beaten a DI and lost 70-46 to Northern Colorado.)

                    Missouri State - wow, headed into today's game vs. Eastern Mich., their wins over Auburn, Maryland Eastern Shore, and Citadel mean they're undefeated at least.
                    But Auburn will be the worst team in the SEC and will end up with a 250 RPI, so unfortunately not much glory there.

                    Northern Iowa - sad story here - as these guys are the top rated Valley team by everyone, and so far they look weak.
                    After strugging and barely beating Denver, they lost to a bad DePaul team then struggled again to barely beat East Carolina.
                    Their stats after 3 games are revealing...
                    -shooting 34.9% from 3-pt but allowing their opponents thus far to shoot 47.9%!
                    -Yikes....they've got the best front line in the Valley with 7-1 Eglseder, Koch, O'Rear, etc and yet on the season so far they've been OUTREBOUNDED!
                    -Their starting center Eglseder is hitting only 40% from the field and those are all layup attempts!!
                    -their two "designated" 3-pt shooters, Moran & Dunham, are 9-34 from beyond the arc.
                    -even against their soft early season opponents, their starters are accounting for 85% of everything...they're getting nothing from the bench.

                    SIU - two wins over cupcakes (D-II Indianapolis & Tenn-Martin) but now an apparent breakthrough...
                    last night SIU beat UNLV! -- at least that's what their web page says...
                    Check this link out...


                    It's their schedule page and it says...
                    "Nov. 21, 2009 at UNLV W, 78-69"
                    and in the popup box...
                    "at UNLV W 78-69"

                    But, the sad truth is...they DID NOT beat UNLV!!
                    Their web page is either lying or wishful thinking...
                    They lost 78-69...they shot terribly (19% on 3's and only 1-13 in the 2nd half), and were badly outrebounded despite having a 7-footer starting at center and the 29th rated player in his class coming out of HS at starting PF!
                    Those two guys combined accounted for 2 rebounds!
                    Booker as a starter was 0-1, no rebounds, no blocks, no steals, no assists, and a couple fouls. he may have just played himself out of a starting spot...and Carlton Fay will start the next game!

                    Wichita State - 2-0 but they've beaten Fairleigh Dickinson & D-II Arkansas Monticello...they have a shot at a decent win Monday vs. Pitt...but Pitt is rebuilding and isn't the team they've been in past years.
                    Pitt was almost upset on their home court by today's BU opponent Wofford.

                    I guess I would suggest giving it more than a week before writing something like this. Always remember that it isn't about who you lose to, but who you beat. Plenty of chances to beat the big boys coming up; need to seize the opportunities.

                    I think the Valley is very young, and unpredictable. A couple of teams may emerge from the pack this year and in my opinion probably it will be a couple we don't expect.

                    Also, based on your awesome analysis of the other Illinois teams Bradley should go 4 and 0 against the dogs and the birds.

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                    • #11
                      Pac 10 conference had some bad losses Saturday by their lower ranked teams...Sat night USC loses at home to Loyola Marymount, Oregon State loses at home to Sacramento State, Oregon loses on the road to Portland...weaker teams in BCS conferences getting weaker?
                      BUilding for the Future

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Garland 22 View Post
                        I guess I would suggest giving it more than a week before writing something like this. Always remember that it isn't about who you lose to, but who you beat. Plenty of chances to beat the big boys coming up; need to seize the opportunities.

                        I think the Valley is very young, and unpredictable. A couple of teams may emerge from the pack this year and in my opinion probably it will be a couple we don't expect.

                        Also, based on your awesome analysis of the other Illinois teams Bradley should go 4 and 0 against the dogs and the birds.
                        Not as true for the mid-majors. I mean, a team in a power conference can go 8-8 in league play and get in on the strength of their "marquee wins" (thanks to the many chances they get in conference play). On the other hand, if a mid-major on the bubble has a bad loss, the media will bring it up at every opportunity to try and discredit that team.

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                        • #13
                          The SEC, Pac 10 and Big 10 have had some bad losses already. Should we write those conferences off? Penn. St. losing to UNC-Wilmington? Really? Here we are all of one week into the season and people are running around like the sky is falling. Relax. The UNI loss to DePaul looks horrible, but in one ranking DePaul was #1. I'm pretty confident they will not be there long.

                          The SOS, RPI is not very accurate right now because there is not enough info to input. It's a long season, take it easy. Some of you are starting to sound like SIU fans already. The Valley will still be a top 10 conference when all the dust settles.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Garland 22 View Post
                            I think the Valley is very young, and unpredictable. A couple of teams may emerge from the pack this year and in my opinion probably it will be a couple we don't expect.
                            I'm not sure how anyone can consider the Valley to be "very young". Over 30 returning starters compared to 23 and 24 the last two seasons. 34 returning players started 10 or more games for their teams in 2008-09. 57 players who averaged double-figure minutes and 56 players who played in 25 or more games are back. All 10 coaches are back this year as well.
                            ???People say, ???Forget last year', but I want our guys to remember that one, because that will not happen again. We will be much better.??? Geno Ford, 9/22/12

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by versace4pres View Post
                              The SEC, Pac 10 and Big 10 have had some bad losses already. Should we write those conferences off?
                              No, because they can make up for it by playing quality teams in their conference. The Valley is not in position to play top 25 teams within their conference schedule.
                              ???People say, ???Forget last year', but I want our guys to remember that one, because that will not happen again. We will be much better.??? Geno Ford, 9/22/12

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