New Foul Rule

[AZ BU Fan]

[QUOTE = BuAlum03 ; 146264]

But when a stiff like me can shoot 75% i expect guys who play on scholarship to shoot better than they have.


Can you still rebound? Do you have any eligibility?

[Chico]

How is Shaq shooting a FT he know he's more than likely going to miss any different. Shaq shoots about .350 from the FT line. The greats shoot .950. A conservative average for a pitcher is .150. Albert Pujols, the greatest player in baseball in a long long while, hits .330. The comparative difference is less in baseball...

Pujols, Mauer, Ramirez(Hankley), often take pitches down the middle. Look at averages. And with pitchers, the averages can be misleading, often a pitcher will swing to allow a hit and run, or bunt a batter over and it's not considered a sacrifice. The level of gaming that not having a DH introduces into baseball is outstanding, many casual Baseball fans don't notice it. But I can take the Yankees, pencil in the same 9 every night and say 'Have at it boys...' It takes a lot more skill to do what Tony LaRussa, Charlie Manuel, and even Joe Torre do on a nightly basis, scrutinizing matchups, having to worry about when to pull a pitcher based on who's coming up in the lineup, who to pinch hit, when to make defensive subs, none of which regularly occur in an AL.

We could get into a very lengthy debate on the difference between NL vs. AL and the long line of issues the DH causes baseball - suffice it to say, many of us like the intellectual side of baseball that no DH requires.

The thing is Shaq, who ruined the Suns for a season and a half, doesn't miss on purpose just because he's a center. At least he shoots the ball. Or does Albert P and the others bunt with 2 strikes. I believe Joe Torre, Tony La Russsa and now Spalding's own, Joe Girardi, have been successful managers in both leagues.

[dogsrus]

I'd compromise the rule and say that they had to pick from one of the 4 guys on the floor at the time the foul was committed...at LEAST the guy is warm vs some bench sub that might not ever play.

[amckillip]

The thing is Shaq, who ruined the Suns for a season and a half, doesn't miss on purpose just because he's a center. At least he shoots the ball. Or does Albert P and the others bunt with 2 strikes. I believe Joe Torre, Tony La Russsa and now Spalding's own, Joe Girardi, have been successful managers in both leagues.

If you think pitchers miss on purpose, I can't really continue a logical discussion here... That just doesn't even make sense...

[Chico]

If you think pitchers miss on purpose, I can't really continue a logical discussion here... That just doesn't even make sense...

I think you know my point. You can't miss if you don't swing. Anyone who watches baseball will see pitchers take strikes or bunt with 2 strikes. That's what just doesn't even make sense.

[MacabreMob]

I'd compromise the rule and say that they had to pick from one of the 4 guys on the floor at the time the foul was committed...at LEAST the guy is warm vs some bench sub that might not ever play.

DRU, I thought that WAS the new rule. Maybe I have missed the meaning in the rule or in your comment.

[Da Coach]

The main problem I have with this new rule is that it rewards the team that just committed the foul. No rule should ever give the advantage to the team commiting a violation. Every team has weaker free throw shooters, and the other coach is always going to know who they are. So after committing a violent foul that could lead to serious injury, this rule rewards that coach of that team with the honor of selecting the player to shoot the FTs. Though I don't expect it to happen often, it could lead to a team trying to "take out" an opposing player, just because there might be another one on the floor who is a poor FTer. It's ridiculous, and I expect it to be reversed eventually.

[wily coyote]

The main problem I have with this new rule is that it rewards the team that just committed the foul. No rule should ever give the advantage to the team commiting a violation. Every team has weaker free throw shooters, and the other coach is always going to know who they are. So after committing a violent foul that could lead to serious injury, this rule rewards that coach of that team with the honor of selecting the player to shoot the FTs. Though I don't expect it to happen often, it could lead to a team trying to "take out" an opposing player, just because there might be another one on the floor who is a poor FTer. It's ridiculous, and I expect it to be reversed eventually.

DC I totally agree with you. No team should be rewarded for a rules infraction and thats exactly whats happening with this rule. I also think its embarassing to the kid who gets picked. Great job AT by splitting a pair. Some people would have missed both. This is a one year rule. Bank on it.

[Disturbed]

The main problem I have with this new rule is that it rewards the team that just committed the foul. No rule should ever give the advantage to the team commiting a violation. Every team has weaker free throw shooters, and the other coach is always going to know who they are. So after committing a violent foul that could lead to serious injury, this rule rewards that coach of that team with the honor of selecting the player to shoot the FTs. Though I don't expect it to happen often, it could lead to a team trying to "take out" an opposing player, just because there might be another one on the floor who is a poor FTer. It's ridiculous, and I expect it to be reversed eventually.

Along those lines, it also probably eliminates the bad free throw shooters from faking injuries as well. No longer can a bad free throw shooter be replaced by his own coach with a great free throw shooter off the bench.

[Da Coach]

I understand that this is the intent of the rule. But I still don't like any rule that rewards the team that is guilty of a violation.

First- I have watched thousands of games, and I have never seen a game where I thought a kid was faking an injury to avoid shooting free throws. I am not saying it never happens, but it has to be extremely rare. Usually, every kid, no matter how bad a free throw shooter he is, wants a chance to sink a key FT at the end of a game.
I believe the problem of faking an injury, though rare, could be dealt with by officials using some common sense and judgement.