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  • #31
    I say there is no reason to groom someone if it is a detriment to the team. Meaning he starts over SM. He would still get plenty of minutes behind SM. Do I think SM is a pg or a sg....well whatever he is he's good enough at pg for me and he's got offensive threat which is what we need in every single position if we want to be good. EM can average 6 ppg that's fine as long as he's getting many many assists and he's only taking 2 to 5 shots to get those 6. However I feel like he's taking a lot of shots to get his points and it's not good. I guess someone who is good with stats could look that up and probably prove me wrong but that's just the vibe I get and obviously other teams do as well since P'allen said to not guard EM last season during a game....not good.

    One thing I did notice about the BYU game though. A few of their guards were really good at just doing little tiny but quick fakes to throw our defenders off. They'd do a little juke and slow down, then another, and then another and use it to go around them and pass it off. When I noticed that I started paying attention to EM and SM while playing pg and they did nothing of the sort. They would run it down there and run around the arc and pass it around without even trying to throw off their defender. I think the first person that develops that ability to fake their defender and make some room (possibly draw in another defender) and dish it out will be the consistent starting pg. If that turns out to be EM and he still lacks a scoring ability then I'd be fine with that. At pg we need either an offensive threat or someone that is really really good at opening things up and getting assists.

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    • #32
      Unless he gets hurt EM will be our starter at the point. He hasn't shot it well but he's a good defender, rebounds well, and normally has a good assist to tournover ratio. I think the bigger question to ask would be who finishes the game as our PG. Does JL trust him to make FT's at the end of games? I do think there's too much made of who starts. It's more important who finishes.

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      • #33
        I don't see a reason to rip on anyone after one game.....that's silly...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bradleyguy10 View Post
          I'm not sure if anyone on here is saying EM isn't good. He is good and will be even better in the future for us. But the simple fact is we don't need him on the court at the same time as SM. No one is throwing anyone under the bus.
          I doubt if we would have seen both EM and SM start against BYU if Brown had not been suspended. I suspect that once he is back he will start and either SM or EM will come off the bench. I have always felt SM would be a more effective spark off the bench with EM starting.

          I DO NOT think EM and SM perform as well when they are on the court at the same time for an extended period. I also do not think it is BU's best interest to start such a small lineup.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by bu fan 9 View Post
            How much longer before we make a change? EM reminds me a lot of Cello.
            Funny you say this. I thought the same thing the other day. I don't think EM will ever bring much offense on a consistant basis. I hope he can prove me wrong. I would welcome it.

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            • #36
              I don't think anyone is ripping EM, just their opinion that SM start at PG and EM back him up. There are plenty of minutes available for both and it keeps both fresh and playing one position. Filling out the line up with AW, CR, TB, and WE, or, AW, TB, WE and AT would give BU a big and then bigger options.
              A possible question with this approach is if AW is a good enough ball handler to be a the SG..

              The 3 or 4 guard "desperation" line up should be reserved for emergency situations when BU needs to trap/ball hawk and try to shoot the lights out from the 3 to try and catch up when well behind......
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              • #37
                Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
                I don't think anyone is ripping EM, just their opinion that SM start at PG and EM back him up. There are plenty of minutes available for both and it keeps both fresh and playing one position. Filling out the line up with AW, CR, TB, and WE, or, AW, TB, WE and AT would give BU a big and then bigger options.
                A possible question with this approach is if AW is a good enough ball handler to be a the SG..

                The 3 or 4 guard "desperation" line up should be reserved for emergency situations when BU needs to trap/ball hawk and try to shoot the lights out from the 3 to try and catch up when well behind......
                I'm agreeing with AZ? Uh-oh this could be trouble...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by amckillip View Post
                  I'm agreeing with AZ? Uh-oh this could be trouble...
                  There are legal drugs available to help you fight this...
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by AZ BU Fan View Post
                    There are legal drugs available to help you fight this...
                    I just moved to AZ, you guys must have access to some better stuff here than I did back in IL...

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                    • #40
                      I am all for SM playing point, but I will stop well short of saying I am on anything that resembles a SM bandwagon. For me to fully support SM, he needs to calm down. He forces ALOT of shots, and it especially annoys me when we run a great offensive possession, swing the ball around well and instead of making that one extra pass, SM jacks up an ill advised 3. I would agree with anyone that says he is a clutch player, but he needs to let the game come to him.

                      I think if he calms down, his numbers will improve because his numbers tonight...

                      3-11 from the field with 4 assist to 3 turnovers with 13pts, with that number being slightly inflated by a few ft's and an admittedly clutch 3 in the final minutes.

                      ...are not overly impressive.

                      If he plays all game with the same swagger he played with in the last 4 minutes, he will do quite well.
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                      • #41
                        Eddren had 4 asst. no turnovers...
                        not an especially great game, but add in a few other little things like inbounding the ball right to someone who scores...and I think he's doing OK.

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                        • #42
                          Yeah, Edge was okay last night. I'd like to see some points out of him of course, but he played fairly well on D and had the 4/0 night T mentioned. I like SM a great deal also, but am not blinded to areas he could improve-- defense and decision making... He forces a lot of shots, especially for a junior.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by thefish7 View Post
                            Yeah, Edge was okay last night. I'd like to see some points out of him of course, but he played fairly well on D and had the 4/0 night T mentioned. I like SM a great deal also, but am not blinded to areas he could improve-- defense and decision making... He forces a lot of shots, especially for a junior.
                            I don't know how you play your defense or watch it, but his guy (#2) consistently blew right by him for easy layups and when he didn't, he could shoot right over him...


                            I'm not trying to knock Eddren, but DSE is better...


                            And in all honesty, he's better than Sam too...just more polished, and the fact that BCS schools were lookin at him is no fluke...they knew what kind of talent he had.


                            Counting the fact that Taylor was suspended, at the 4-min mark, we had the best team we can field on the floor in Egolf, Roberts, Warren, DSE, and Maniscalco.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by SaintLouBrave22 View Post
                              I don't know how you play your defense or watch it, but his guy (#2) consistently blew right by him for easy layups and when he didn't, he could shoot right over him...
                              I play only bad defense. Lots of fouls due to my, uh, incredible foot speed. I saw only the second half of the game and on a very small screen and noticed I was consistently confusing DSE and EM so I may be crediting one for the other here. I did notice EM getting owned during some zone, but the whole team looked atrocious in the 2-3. But in the final ten minutes in the game I thought I saw EM helping extend the other teams offense away from the basket.

                              I agree though, DSE looked very tough on defense.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by SaintLouBrave22 View Post

                                I'm not trying to knock Eddren, but DSE is better...


                                And in all honesty, he's better than Sam too...just more polished, and the fact that BCS schools were lookin at him is no fluke...they knew what kind of talent he had.


                                Counting the fact that Taylor was suspended, at the 4-min mark, we had the best team we can field on the floor in Egolf, Roberts, Warren, DSE, and Maniscalco.
                                I agree with all of these points SLB. DSE has a BCS body with what appear to be above average mid-major skills. I think, ultimately, he is the answer to what BU has been lacking and think he will fill Dodie's role nicely. However, I would not be willing to start the kid just yet.

                                I also liked that lineup at the 4-minute mark and look forward to throwing TB into that mix, as well.

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