Postgame thread- BYU 70 BU 60

[BUBraves2006]

I'll certainly wonder about TB. It looked like we had 3 main O threats this game, SM, AW, and CR; a 4th threat could make a nice difference in several situations. Plus we'll never quite know how much extra energy the guards had to expend defending slightly larger guys.

It is fustrating to see no backup for the 4 spot..

Overall, I guess I feel OK about a loss (because we did not have TB) and I feel a little better for not paying $2.99 to get the sports pack this month to watch this one game.

Dodie is another option, he's just a streaky player. Look at conference play last year. Here are his point totals: 9, 18, 15, 2, 14, 9, 13, 4, 13, 2, etc. He's a good scorer too, he just doesn't seem to get acclimated into the offense some games.

[amckillip]

The game was close and we had a chance but we had Thompson and Dunson on the floor most of that time, are they limiting Egolf"s minutes ? When Will was on the floor good things were happening.
After watching the Lewis game and the BYU game our starters should be"
Maniscalco
Warren
Roberts
Brown
Egolf
These 5 players are the ones that are making things happen.
Mccain is struggling to run the offense at this time.
Singh needs to step up his game for a 6th yr. player

I agreed completely, with Dodie and AT being the first off the bench. I think AT will be a solid sub by the time mid conference play comes around. Many of the things I excused McCain for last year because he was a freshman are no longer excusable. He's a sophomore now and with that comes a higher expectation. Singh to me is what he is, good for 10 minutes a game of solid 5 spot. MK is unknown. I think at this point I'll take DSE off the bench before McCain actually. Part of that is because fans are attracted to potential, whether it actualy exists or not. IMO DSE seems to have the playmaking ability McCain sometimes exudes while not having to sacrifice large minutes to a player who cannot score himself.

[shaunguth]

Overall this was a very encouraging game. To only lose by 10 without our best rebounder and 2nd to 3rd scoring option, on the road where it's near impossible to win, in front of 16,000 fans and with only playing 1 exhibition..... I'd say this is no 6th place Valley team. Need to pull out a win in Vegas in order to salvage this non-conference season, pending all non-conference wins besides Vegas rest of way. Overall, I am satisfied, lets get Brown back and roll with this puppy.

Several factors keyed into tonight's loss...

-Brown definitely would of cut into that -12 rebound margin, including several plays where BYU had 2 or 3 offensive boards in 1 sequence. He also would of given us at least another 10 points that we lost by.

-Dodie playing 25 minutes and not scoring, including missing 2 straight 1 and 1's when it was a 7 point game.

-Missed at least 4 to 5 easy point blank layups, that would of been another 6 to 8 points.

-Can we get a double team on Fredette? I got sick of watching him blow by guard after guard. He set his season game high in FT attempts tonight.

-Moving screens, I think we were called for 3 or 4 of those tonight.

-Free throws, gotta work on the FT's again. Missed 9 of them tonight.

Jason

Great post!

A couple things that stuck out to me was a missed rebound when we had our entire team under the basket....all FIVE of them and we didn't get that rebound! Also, I didn't much care for SM, EM, and DSE all on the floor at the same time!

I was encouraged by the way we played a very good team on the road to open the season. Not bad for the predicted 6th-best team in the Valley against the clear choice to win the Mountain West. Looking forward to heading to Carver on Sunday!

[dogsrus]

People are tough on McCain and I'm ready to say I think he should be coming off the bench but he DID some good things last night also.

Sure, as the pg, we need more but he had a few nice drives to the basket AND he really battles (and wins some) for rebounds.

I don't think he turned the ball over too much but he also didn't have many assists...of course who did?

[ser_solace]

Tough game to start the season, but at least, we scrapped and maded it close.

My excitement for the season start immediately deflated after hearing Brown was suspended. I guess it was expected, but I had forgotten about it. I can't wait to see the team at full force after his return.

[dogsrus]

Random thoughts....

I liked our energy..especially the 2nd half. SM played well but needs to not force some things. AW looks 80-85%. Disappeared at times but played well when he was in the flow of the offense.

Still not so sure why so much SS over WE....I'm hoping its becuase they are limiting WE's minutes for awhile. He brought more enrgy and skill down low. Oh, and Will, dunk those bunnies. PLEASE.

Is it to late to r/s Milos? If you aren't going to play a game where TB is out when you going to play?

AT, at least he doesn't look totally lost. Just need to see continued progress from the kid.

I liked out D but I would have liked to see us guard the 3 better and give them more opps down low.....I dunno......just too mnay open looks but 60 points tells me that, overall, not TOO bad.

Need more offense. TB would have been a nice additional option. Hope you learned your lesson. KUDO"S to JL for NOT sweeping this under the table like he probably easily could have. I HOPE this suspension came from HIM and NOT from above.

Overall I'm not TOO upset. We battled and had our chances. 2nd half poor Free throws and not giving them so many second chances while getting very few of our own really hurt.

I'll ask this becuase watching the game at the FH with Romar we both saw the same thing but we MIGHT be biased and while its a great place to watch a game the TV was so bright it wasn't easy to see......seemed like the "Jimmer" got alot of touch fouls while we were getting hit pretty hard at times with NO calls. First, yeah, thats life on the road but you saw some good D from Sam and Edge and they got whistled and looked quite perplexed as if saying " what in the world am I suppose to do"

Sam got HAMMERED out top late with NO call...even the BU students, in between texts, saw THAT one and he got slapped on a reach-around which is USUALLY an automatic call on that fast break turn-over.

Again..biased but I can see why they are so tough at home IF thats the case.

[Big Mike]

Overall the game turned out better than I thought, without TB the Braves lost a lot of energy down low so the 10 pts loss on the road in a hostile enviroment isn't all bad! Still would like more out of the 5 spot, those #'s will not help this team win games and I also wonder why MK did not play after getting all those minutes in the exibition last week? With TB out MK would have gotten some boards and enough pts to make a difference(still not a fan of the 4 guard)! I was surprised to see DSE gets soo much time and think he will help out when he settles in! I hope that DD just had an off night, he has to score 8-10 a game IMO being a SR and one of the team leaders! SM, AW and CR will get their pts but they need some serious help inside and I hope we can get that handled real soon as not to rely on the outside shot every game, the missed bunnies and moving screens are becoming a nusence!

[lake Camelot]

I wasn't able to watch or listen. But looking at the box score,that rebound column is scary. I guess TB would help with that. Overall the score isn't bad. I wish we had shot better but not bad without Taylor.

[ph]

Dodie is another option, he's just a streaky player. Look at conference play last year. Here are his point totals: 9, 18, 15, 2, 14, 9, 13, 4, 13, 2, etc. He's a good scorer too, he just doesn't seem to get acclimated into the offense some games.

You're correct, he can be another option, but he wasn't last night and we needed another option last night. As a guess, he probably had to take on a JJ sort of defending a much bigger guy role (Because of no TB) which makes O problematic.

[Da Coach]

Reports from Utah papers-


Deseret News-
Deep bench proves fruitful (note link to p[ictures on right side)

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705344424/Bench-proves-fruitful-for-Y.html

Salt Lake Tribune
Cougars triumph (I like titles without puns) note there is also a like to pictures

http://www.sltrib.com/byucougars/ci_13786513

[doug shank's crossover]

No shame at all in this loss. BYU will be a tournament team come March and probably a 9 or 10 seed. On the positive side, it was nice to see AT and DSE get some meaningful playing time. This indicates BU will end up being legitimately 9 deep this year.

[tornado]

I think with Taylor Brown we probably could have won.

agree 100%, their rebounds and 2nd chance pts in the 1st half gained them the lead..

[houstonbrave]

Agree with most of what has been said. Tough loss but a lot of potential. SM, CR and AW all looked pretty good. WE is also making good progress. We just need a lot more out of DD and EM. I forgot DD was in the game for long stretches. I just expect more out of DD he is a senior and he is much better than he showed last night. EM just seemed out of the flow-he needs to step it up.

Good progress by AT. He looks bigger and he can help us down the road. Still needs to get more aggressive but I see progress. After everything I have heard about MK I was surprised not to see him get into a game where we needed some rebounding help and some shooting-maybe his D is just not up to JL's standards yet.

[mrcoachdude]

Tough opponent on the road for a first game......hate to lose...but if we can play tough like this...the "W"s will come...

[AZ BU Fan]

I thought Jim's M-O was he didn't teach/have rebounding fundamentals. Or was it his "In-Game Coaching" abilities? Why didn't he use the "use-it-or-lose-it Time out"? He's a liar cause he doesn't tell the press his starting line-up and hand over his play-book to the press.

Join the "never-happy" crowd. You can get write-ups in your local rag from the pjs and feel all righteous and happy.

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